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By John Pike

 

It is called "hormesis," and if this scientific theory is proved valid it could be the most important environmental event of the 21st century. Billions of dollars could be saved in environmental cleanup costs, say researchers, while at the same time improving the health of all organisms, including humans. But at first examination, hormesis appears kooky. The knee-jerk reaction is to reject this phenomenon as pseudoscience or propaganda by polluters, and a few uninformed observers have done just that.

But hormesis is a possible, if not highly probable, iconoclastic notion, first postulated either in the 16th century or the 1880s but gaining flattering attention within the last decade, that humans actually need small amounts of poison in their diets. A little arsenic, dioxin or radiation peppered on the spaghetti sauce may be just what we require to live long and healthy lives. And since humans need more toxins in our environment than allowed under current government regulations, so the theory goes, future efforts to clean up the environment could be greatly reduced.

The idea is that poisons such as arsenic are, of course, poisonous - that is, if one ingests too much they will produce sickness or death. But arsenic and other toxins in very low doses, below an amount deemed harmful, repeatedly have been shown to benefit the functions of organs, the optimal growth of the organism or longevity. According to scientists who favor this theory, when the human body, or cell, becomes stressed or damaged by a small amount of poison, it not only repairs the damage but overcompensates and becomes stronger than it was. The phenomenon is similar to exercise; by jogging or lifting weights, one may stretch and exhaust the muscle tissue, which causes soreness. But later the muscle not only repairs itself but overcompensates and improves to the point where one can lift more weight or run longer and faster.

Chon Shoaf, a scientist with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) at Research Triangle Park, N.C., says recent work on hormesis "is revolutionary and we want people to be aware of it. It has the potential to generate substantial savings."

The persons most responsible for conceptualizing and exalting this pioneering research since the 1990s, and who may flip EPA policy upside down to the benefit of taxpayers and every organism down to the last menacing insect, is Edward Calabrese, 56, a toxicology professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his longtime assistant Linda Baldwin. He has been described as "one of the leading toxicologists in the country." Speaking to Insight in his messy office, whose floor for the last three years has featured what appears to be the largest malfunctioning air conditioner ever seen on planet Earth, Calabrese explains his breakthrough research. These are ideas, ironically, that were generated not by an elite Massachusetts university with posh paraphernalia on the banks of the Charles River, but rather from the "70 to 80 hours weekly" this scientist toils at his lunch-pail university that the elitists sometimes refer to as "Zoo Mass."

"I believe there is not a single chemical that does not" exhibit patterns of hormesis, Calabrese says. It is a general response that is shown with mercury, lead, components of cigarette smoke, cadmium, marijuana, cocaine, alcohol and "everything that is regulated by the EPA."

One example is the first time Calabrese witnessed hormesis as an undergraduate student at Bridgewater State College in Massachusetts in 1966. He had been assigned to retard the growth of peppermint plants with high doses of a growth-retardant chemical. Not only did the plants not die, they grew taller than normal - a result, Calabrese says, that comes from mistakenly treating the plants with what proved to be too little growth-retardant.

The policy implication for this work, if proved valid, is stratospheric. It means the EPA could permit higher concentrations of so-called toxins in the environment, actually encouraging healthier lives and simultaneously saving money by not cleaning "toxic" sites. After all, the EPA now assumes the optimal level for a vast majority of carcinogens is zero parts per billion - in other words, none at all.

What makes the work of Calabrese and Baldwin especially credible as these things go is that their research is not uniquely their own, but an analysis of thousands of toxicology studies done by others the world over. "We evaluated about 21,000 cases, using 2 percent on which the data were most complete," Calabrese says. "Of those 2 percent, 40 percent showed hormesis." Most toxicology studies are not helpful in analyzing for hormesis because the doses of toxins used are too high since researchers are studying a poison's threshold of lethality and not its potential beneficial properties. According to Calabrese, "The model showing hormesis has a huge amount of data, more than any other competing model. This is so overwhelmingly convincing I do not think anyone rational could deny that hormesis exists."

That said, another reason scientists are taking the work of Calabrese so seriously is the environmental cleanup and expense implications of work he has done in the past. At one point his studies drew the wrath of the chemical industry, the same circle now delighting in his conclusions on hormesis. This Massachusetts scientist was in fact the primary proponent of the "single-exposure carcinogen theory," which says that humans sometimes can contract cancer with just one exposure to a carcinogen, a theory with the potential to add millions to the cost of chemical manufacturing. It also was virtually his testimony alone in the 1990s that forced the government to spend millions of additional dollars cleaning a toxic site in Colorado to a much higher standard than previously expected, and contrary to the testimony of others and at least one irate newspaper.

"I am nonideological," Calabrese says. "But my work on hormesis is a little like President [Richard] Nixon going to China."

Calabrese is the first to say more research needs to be done "before we start handing out radiation pills," though some researchers seem more cautious. Nonetheless, this reporter was unable to find any toxicologist who substantially disagreed with Calabrese's work on hormesis, including officials at the Sierra Club, a prominent environmental advocacy group.

At the same time, "There are trade-offs in hormesis that we cannot forget about," warns Michael Davis, an EPA scientist also in North Carolina. "I do not believe all organisms share the same mechanical basis of hormesis. I see it as a variety of things." Thus, each poison must be evaluated separately because each particular toxin may affect different parts of an organism differently. For example, a toxin at low doses may help a person grow taller, but also damage his liver. Another difficulty is the possibility that a particular poison at a certain dose may help one individual, yet hurt another, Davis says. "But I am not ruling out that hormesis could have significant EPA policy implications."

According to Calabrese, hormesis also has an ugly side for some drugs prescribed by physicians. It means some pharmaceuticals that might cure a sickness at high doses could hurt at low doses. "The effects flip," he says. "So I want my doctor to know about hormesis, though unfortunately most are unaware of it."

One who apparently did not know about hormesis, or at least whose office refused to respond to repeated messages about it, was recently resigned EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman, who would not comment even on the work of her own people on this matter.

"The EPA does not want the American people to become cognizant of good environmental news, or potential savings in environmental cleanup, because in part they view the agency as a jobs program," says a scientist who often engages the EPA. "If the American people realize the environment is getting cleaner and healthier, they might seek to cut the funding of the EPA because much of its purpose has been accomplished. They seem to be afraid of losing their jobs."

Although properties of hormesis have been documented for many years, Calabrese says there are several reasons why it took the scientific community so long to examine hormesis and his research about it seriously. The EPA controls a large part of the funding, and therefore how the research is conducted, he says. Since the government is interested in saving lives, the research it funds in this area is almost always to study a toxin's lethal effect, as opposed to its beneficial side, so the research is not generated.

In addition, the beneficial effects of a poison tend to be less dramatic than its deadly results, he says, so it is less noticeable. It may benefit a plant in small amounts by only 30 percent, but in larger doses its pernicious effect may be a factor of 10 times. Scientists also often will see a benefit of only 1 percent of the time in a study because most of the research involves much higher doses, and "they blow it off," Calabrese says. "They think it is a freak thing. They have to learn to think out[side] of the box."

But thanks in part to Calabrese and Baldwin, that box now has been broken wide open and good news is spilling all over the ground. It is a toxic spill with which we all can learn to live.

John Pike is a contributing writer to Insight magazine.

 

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Theory of Hormesis Could Save Homeowners a Bundle

Thank you for John Pike's excellent article on hormesis ["Can Toxins Lead to Healthier Lives?" Jan. 6-19]. I first became aware of this theory in the context of the debate about radon. Insight's readers might like to check out a number of articles about radon hormesis at the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness Website (www.oism.org/ddp/lowdose.htm).

With the amount of money being mandated for radon remediation, new standards based on a recognition of hormesis could save homeowners in my area a considerable expense.

J. Keen Holland
Lenhartsville, Pa.


 

 

 

 

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Your Recent article on hormesis was thought-provoking.* You may wish to follow up with the prof at U-Pittsburg who has advocated radiation hormesis for a number of years.* His radiation studies could save municipalities billions of dollars; many cities are being forced to reduce radiation content in drinking water.* But this same radiation content often attracted thousands to  medicinal baths  early in this century.

 

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Hmmmm..

 

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"Calabrese is the first to say more research needs to be done "before we start handing out radiation pills," though some researchers seem more cautious. Nonetheless, this reporter was unable to find any toxicologist who substantially disagreed with Calabrese's work on hormesis, including officials at the Sierra Club, a prominent environmental advocacy group."

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Hormesis!

I come to this subject with a bias--as a fan of "pseudoscience or propaganda by polluters"--so this (from Insight magazine, via WND) thrills me:

"According to the theory, a little arsenic, dioxin or radiation peppered on the spaghetti sauce may be just what we require to live long and healthy lives...

"The idea is that poisons such as arsenic are, of course, poisonous – that is, if one ingests too much they will produce sickness or death. But arsenic and other toxins in very low doses, below an amount deemed harmful, repeatedly have been shown to benefit the functions of organs, the optimal growth of the organism or longevity.

"According to scientists who favor this theory, when the human body, or cell, becomes stressed or damaged by a small amount of poison, it not only repairs the damage but overcompensates and becomes stronger than it was."

Wahoo! More poison, less EPA. Bring it on.

posted by eliana on 01.03.04 at 07:23 AM




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Just what are they teaching you guys over in New Haven, anyway? First Pat Roberson, then Bush, now the Diva ...

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Hormesis!

I come to this subject with a bias--as a fan of "pseudoscience or propaganda by polluters"--so this (from Insight magazine, via WND) thrills me:

"According to the theory, a little arsenic, dioxin or radiation peppered on the spaghetti sauce may be just what we require to live long and healthy lives...

"The idea is that poisons such as arsenic are, of course, poisonous – that is, if one ingests too much they will produce sickness or death. But arsenic and other toxins in very low doses, below an amount deemed harmful, repeatedly have been shown to benefit the functions of organs, the optimal growth of the organism or longevity.

"According to scientists who favor this theory, when the human body, or cell, becomes stressed or damaged by a small amount of poison, it not only repairs the damage but overcompensates and becomes stronger than it was."

Wahoo! More poison, less EPA. Bring it on.

posted by eliana on 01.03.04 at 07:23 AM




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Just what are they teaching you guys over in New Haven, anyway? First Pat Roberson, then Bush, now the Diva ...

posted by: Ron Mwangaguhunga on 01.03.04 at 11:50 AM [permalink]

 



 

Well, as I have been personnaly cured, fifteen years ago, with arsenic, I can say that arsenic is not always a poison.
It is the same with many medecines your doctor give you : if taken in a high dose they can kill you, if taken in an appropriate dose it can save you life.
Radiations works the same way.
Jean-Claude

posted by: Oiseau Jean-Claude on 01.16.04 at 09:11 AM [permalink]

 



 

what do you think of physicians when they prescribe low dosages of methotrexate for various diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis? this is a chemo drug given in low doses and physicians who write out the prescriptions. what do you think of that? i would like to think there might be a small bit of hope in the possiblity of hormesis. There is a place called Merry Widow Mine (article written in Nat'l Geographic) in Basin, Montana that claims they have people who come to there mine on a regular basis just for the healing effects. Could it be true or just another money maker? who knows

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Hormesis, the scientific theory that humans actually need small amounts of poison in their diets, could be the most important environmental event of the 21st century if proved valid. Billions of dollars could be saved in environmental cleanup costs, say researchers, while at the same time improving the health of all organisms, including humans.

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Edward Calabrese, 56, a toxicology professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, is apparently a reformed believer in hormesis. According to this article Calabrese was the guy who costs industry millions in environmental cleanup expenses from his previous work and was the primary proponent of the "single-exposure carcinogen theory".

 

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"I believe there is not a single chemical that does not" exhibit patterns of hormesis, Calabrese says. It is a general response that is shown with mercury, lead, components of cigarette smoke, cadmium, marijuana, cocaine, alcohol and "everything that is regulated by the EPA."

One example is the first time Calabrese witnessed hormesis as an undergraduate student at Bridgewater State College in Massachusetts in 1966. He had been assigned to retard the growth of peppermint plants with high doses of a growth-retardant chemical. Not only did the plants not die, they grew taller than normal - a result, Calabrese says, that comes from mistakenly treating the plants with what proved to be too little growth-retardant.


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Since this topic generated so much interest, figured you might like to see the full text, Hormesis as a Biological Hypothesis, at nih.gov.

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Since this topic generated so much interest, figured you might like to see the full text, Hormesis as a Biological Hypothesis, at nih.gov.


Not read the article fully yet but I was suddenly reminded of experiences with anti-ant products. The powders seem to work OK of spread around but only prevent not 'cure'. The 'get them to to take the poison back to the nest and kill the others' approach seems to fail woefully.

All the times I persevered with that approach just resulted in more and more ants.

Maybe the manufacturer's instruction to use just a few drops was more for marketing benefit (repeat sales potential) than for true purpose. Perhaps I should have used several gallons rather than a few drops?

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Calabrese has also published on radiation hormesis. I had some discussions with Petr Beckmann on this subject during the 80's and early 90's, prior to his death. Have also attended presentations at DDP meetings. Googling today gets 2380 hits for radiation hormesis but only 488 for chemical hormesis. There are also a few hormesis posts in our archives. My interest in this subject has to do with having had considerable radiation exposure over the years, as a child and occupationally.

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Posted on 01/03/2004 6:43:01 AM PST by JohnHuang2
 

By John Pike
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

Hormesis, the scientific theory that humans actually need small amounts of poison in their diets, could be the most important environmental event of the 21st century if proved valid. Billions of dollars could be saved in environmental cleanup costs, say researchers, while at the same time improving the health of all organisms, including humans.

But at first examination, hormesis appears kooky. The knee-jerk reaction is to reject this phenomenon as pseudoscience or propaganda by polluters, and a few uninformed observers have done just that.

But hormesis is a possible, if not highly probable, iconoclastic notion, first postulated either in the 16th century or the 1880s but gaining flattering attention within the last decade.

According to the theory, a little arsenic, dioxin or radiation peppered on the spaghetti sauce may be just what we require to live long and healthy lives. And since humans need more toxins in our environment than allowed under current government regulations, so the theory goes, future efforts to clean up the environment could be greatly reduced.

The idea is that poisons such as arsenic are, of course, poisonous – that is, if one ingests too much they will produce sickness or death. But arsenic and other toxins in very low doses, below an amount deemed harmful, repeatedly have been shown to benefit the functions of organs, the optimal growth of the organism or longevity.

According to scientists who favor this theory, when the human body, or cell, becomes stressed or damaged by a small amount of poison, it not only repairs the damage but overcompensates and becomes stronger than it was. The phenomenon is similar to exercise; by jogging or lifting weights, one may stretch and exhaust the muscle tissue, which causes soreness. But later the muscle not only repairs itself but overcompensates and improves to the point where one can lift more weight or run longer and faster.

Chon Shoaf, a scientist with the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, at Research Triangle Park, N.C., says recent work on hormesis "is revolutionary and we want people to be aware of it. It has the potential to generate substantial savings."

The persons most responsible for conceptualizing and exalting this pioneering research since the 1990s, and who may flip EPA policy upside down to the benefit of taxpayers and every organism down to the last menacing insect, is Edward Calabrese, 56, a toxicology professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his longtime assistant Linda Baldwin. He has been described as "one of the leading toxicologists in the country." Speaking to Insight in his messy office, whose floor for the last three years has featured what appears to be the largest malfunctioning air conditioner ever seen on planet Earth, Calabrese explains his breakthrough research. These are ideas, ironically, that were generated not by an elite Massachusetts university with posh paraphernalia on the banks of the Charles River, but rather from the "70 to 80 hours weekly" this scientist toils at his lunch-pail university that the elitists sometimes refer to as "Zoo Mass."

"I believe there is not a single chemical that does not" exhibit patterns of hormesis, Calabrese says. It is a general response that is shown with mercury, lead, components of cigarette smoke, cadmium, marijuana, cocaine, alcohol and "everything that is regulated by the EPA."

One example is the first time Calabrese witnessed hormesis as an undergraduate student at Bridgewater State College in Massachusetts in 1966. He had been assigned to retard the growth of peppermint plants with high doses of a growth-retardant chemical. Not only did the plants not die, they grew taller than normal – a result, Calabrese says, that comes from mistakenly treating the plants with what proved to be too little growth-retardant.

The policy implication for this work, if proved valid, is stratospheric. It means the EPA could permit higher concentrations of so-called toxins in the environment, actually encouraging healthier lives and simultaneously saving money by not cleaning "toxic" sites. After all, the EPA now assumes the optimal level for a vast majority of carcinogens is zero parts per billion – in other words, none at all.

What makes the work of Calabrese and Baldwin especially credible as these things go is that their research is not uniquely their own, but an analysis of thousands of toxicology studies done by others the world over.

"We evaluated about 21,000 cases, using 2 percent on which the data were most complete," Calabrese says. "Of those 2 percent, 40 percent showed hormesis." Most toxicology studies are not helpful in analyzing for hormesis because the doses of toxins used are too high since researchers are studying a poison's threshold of lethality and not its potential beneficial properties. According to Calabrese, "The model showing hormesis has a huge amount of data, more than any other competing model. This is so overwhelmingly convincing I do not think anyone rational could deny that hormesis exists."

That said, another reason scientists are taking the work of Calabrese so seriously is the environmental cleanup and expense implications of work he has done in the past. At one point his studies drew the wrath of the chemical industry, the same circle now delighting in his conclusions on hormesis.

This Massachusetts scientist was in fact the primary proponent of the "single-exposure carcinogen theory," which says that humans sometimes can contract cancer with just one exposure to a carcinogen, a theory with the potential to add millions to the cost of chemical manufacturing.

It also was virtually his testimony alone in the 1990s that forced the government to spend millions of additional dollars cleaning a toxic site in Colorado to a much higher standard than previously expected, and contrary to the testimony of others and at least one irate newspaper.

"I am nonideological," Calabrese says. "But my work on hormesis is a little like President [Richard] Nixon going to China."

Calabrese is the first to say more research needs to be done "before we start handing out radiation pills," though some researchers seem more cautious. Nonetheless, this reporter was unable to find any toxicologist who substantially disagreed with Calabrese's work on hormesis, including officials at the Sierra Club, a prominent environmental advocacy group.

At the same time, "There are trade-offs in hormesis that we cannot forget about," warns Michael Davis, an EPA scientist also in North Carolina. "I do not believe all organisms share the same mechanical basis of hormesis. I see it as a variety of things." Thus, each poison must be evaluated separately because each particular toxin may affect different parts of an organism differently.

For example, a toxin at low doses may help a person grow taller, but also damage his liver. Another difficulty is the possibility that a particular poison at a certain dose may help one individual, yet hurt another.

"But I am not ruling out that hormesis could have significant EPA policy implications," says Davis.

According to Calabrese, hormesis also has an ugly side for some drugs prescribed by physicians. It means some pharmaceuticals that might cure a sickness at high doses could hurt at low doses. "The effects flip," he says. "So I want my doctor to know about hormesis, though unfortunately most are unaware of it."

One who apparently did not know about hormesis, or at least whose office refused to respond to repeated messages about it, was recently resigned EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman, who would not comment even on the work of her own people on this matter.

"The EPA does not want the American people to become cognizant of good environmental news, or potential savings in environmental cleanup, because in part they view the agency as a jobs program," says a scientist who often engages the EPA. "If the American people realize the environment is getting cleaner and healthier, they might seek to cut the funding of the EPA because much of its purpose has been accomplished. They seem to be afraid of losing their jobs."

Although properties of hormesis have been documented for many years, Calabrese says there are several reasons why it took the scientific community so long to examine hormesis and his research about it seriously. The EPA controls a large part of the funding, and therefore how the research is conducted, he says. Since the government is interested in saving lives, the research it funds in this area is almost always to study a toxin's lethal effect, as opposed to its beneficial side, so the research is not generated.

In addition, the beneficial effects of a poison tend to be less dramatic than its deadly results, he says, so it is less noticeable. It may benefit a plant in small amounts by only 30 percent, but in larger doses its pernicious effect may be a factor of 10 times. Scientists also often will see a benefit of only 1 percent of the time in a study because most of the research involves much higher doses, and "they blow it off," according to Calabrese.

"They think it is a freak thing. They have to learn to think out[side] of the box," he says.

But thanks in part to Calabrese and Baldwin, that box now has been broken wide open and good news is spilling all over the ground. It is a toxic spill with which we all can learn to live.

 



 

 


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3 posted on 01/03/2004 6:45:37 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Sounds like a variant of homeopathy. Which I have evidence often works, although I cannot account for it based on standard biochemical models.
 
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I will test this theory by ingesting a couple ounces of a toxin while watching football today.

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That's what I was thinking also. We use homeopathy quite a bit. It has worked for us many times.

 
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"The EPA does not want the American people to become cognizant of good environmental news, or potential savings in environmental cleanup, because in part they view the agency as a jobs program," says a scientist who often engages the EPA. "If the American people realize the environment is getting cleaner and healthier, they might seek to cut the funding of the EPA because much of its purpose has been accomplished. They seem to be afraid of losing their jobs."

Well, DUH!!!

The EPA IS nothing more than a government bureaucracy.

All bureaucracies are metastasized cancers whose sole purpose is to consume resources and grow larger.
 

7 posted on 01/03/2004 8:33:28 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: JohnHuang2
The most fastidious clean careful people that I have met are also the sickest!

I have consumed huge amounts of asbestos, lead (siphoning gas, chewing it for gum, breathing lead oxide and paint, sanding body lead before bondo, etc.), trichlorethlene, and the vapors from spraying around 1000 gal. of paint yearly, dust from construction and anything else you might think of including DDT which I love the smell of and i've smoked since I was 11.

It's now been 57 years since i've been sick, had the measles when I was 8, and have never had the flu.
 
8 posted on 01/03/2004 8:50:56 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: farmfriend; editor-surveyor
ping
 
9 posted on 01/03/2004 8:54:41 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: JohnHuang2; *puff_list; Just another Joe; SheLion; Max McGarrity; Conspiracy Guy; metesky; ...
The EPA controls a large part of the funding, and therefore how the research is conducted, he says. Since the government is interested in saving lives, the research it funds in this area is almost always to study a toxin's lethal effect, as opposed to its beneficial side, so the research is not generated.

It seems we're not the only ones who have been saying the same thing for quite some time!!!
 

10 posted on 01/03/2004 9:25:28 AM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: Restorer
My sister gets asthma and cough each winter. Last year she took a common homepathic lung formulation and her problems ended
 
11 posted on 01/03/2004 9:28:07 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Gabz
"The EPA does not want the American people to become cognizant of good environmental news, or potential savings in environmental cleanup, because in part they view the agency as a jobs program," It isn't just the EPA, it's all government agencies!
 
12 posted on 01/03/2004 9:28:24 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: dalereed
Agreed.
 
13 posted on 01/03/2004 9:29:59 AM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: dalereed
You SMOKE DDT? Wtf?!
 
14 posted on 01/03/2004 9:32:45 AM PST by rebelyell
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To: Gabz
It appears that the dose may make more than the poison.

It's just possible it could keep you healthier.
 

15 posted on 01/03/2004 9:41:23 AM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: rebelyell
I've smoked cigarettes since I was 11 and breathed DDT daily during the summer in the 40s and early 50s spraying the back patio where we cooked and ate dinner most evenings.

Sorry for the bad grammar in the prior post.
 
16 posted on 01/03/2004 9:42:07 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: dennisw
For almost a year when she was two, my daughter had severe exzema, with only the soles of her feet and her scalp clear. We had to tie socks on her hands to keep her from clawing herself bloody. It got to where almost all my wife could do was rock her all day long while she cried. (Needless to say, Mom also almost went crazy.)

We tried every imaginable form of therapy, from cortisone injections to nutrition to acupuncture. Nothing worked, at all, and some of the side effects were nasty.

We finally located a homeopath 4 hours away. We drove there, went through the whole interview process, and he gave her a tiny amount of sulphur. At this point, she hadn't really slept in two days and nights. Within about 30 seconds of the sulphur entering her mouth, she went right to sleep. She slept all the way home and for almost 24 hours straight. When she woke up her eczema was almost entirely gone, and with one relapse has never come back.

This was over 20 years ago, when homeopathy was almost an underground movement.

I can't explain these results by standard science. The classic AMA explanation for the successes of homeopathy is "placebo effect." I defy anyone to get placebo effect to work on a 2-year old!
 

17 posted on 01/03/2004 9:45:13 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
I'm glad you got such happy results with homeopathy. It doesn't work for all but then neither do conventional medicines (drugs) and doctors have no qualms, no shame in prescribing them anyway on the theory they hopefully they will work.
 
18 posted on 01/03/2004 9:51:36 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dalereed
My neighbor, who is also my cousin, is absolutely anal about food and environmental toxins. It's painful to have a meal with her because she talks non-stop about the "good" and "bad" properties of the food we are eating. I always find delight in informing her about the latest study that controverts the conventional "wisdom" that she so stringently lives by.

Oh, and she is a strict vegetarian who has thyroid, glaucoma, high cholesterol and heart problems.
 

19 posted on 01/03/2004 9:55:45 AM PST by hobson
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The EPA IS nothing more than a government bureaucracy

Just like the Sugeon General. He is neither a Surgeon OR a General. heh!


 

20 posted on 01/03/2004 9:58:56 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: hobson
I completely understand your problem.

I went out to eat with someone last night.

I ordered the Tuna sandwhich. They then told me that it was best "not to eat that" because there is a risk that the Tuna might be bad.

And this wasn't at some 2 bit restuarant either!
 
21 posted on 01/03/2004 9:59:09 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (You know how those liberals are. Two's Company but three is a fundraiser.)
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To: Gabz; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
It seems we're not the only ones who have been saying the same thing for quite some time!!!

Oh yes! They sure know how to spin it. They don't want to tell the truth for fear of losing their jobs and/or funding. Just like the Anti-Tobacco Coalitions.

You got it, Gabz!

What a total waste of tax payers money!
 

22 posted on 01/03/2004 10:01:04 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: KarlInOhio
If the Packers lose, I'll drink a bottle of Clorox.
 
23 posted on 01/03/2004 10:01:10 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: rebelyell
You SMOKE DDT? Wtf?!

 

OH MY GAWD HE SMOKES!  THROW HIM INTO A HOLDING CELL!

My goodness!  It IS legal you know. heh!
 

24 posted on 01/03/2004 10:03:06 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Restorer
"Small doses stimulate, moderate doses poison, large doses kill." That observation is hundreds of years old.

 
25 posted on 01/03/2004 10:37:37 AM PST by Trickyguy
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To: SheLion
As a 71 year old smoker I tend to agree. Kids are sicker now than 30-40 years ago when many of their parents smoked.

I've heard it called "lazy lung" in that the lungs never breathe anything even slightly toxic and therefore can't fight off lung disease.

 
26 posted on 01/03/2004 10:44:32 AM PST by Mears
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To: SheLion
As a 71 year old smoker I tend to agree. Kids are sicker now than 30-40 years ago when many of their parents smoked.

I've heard it called "lazy lung" in that the lungs never breathe anything even slightly toxic and therefore can't fight off lung disease.

 
27 posted on 01/03/2004 10:44:44 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
Sorry for the duplicate post----new computer with very sensitive keys.
 
28 posted on 01/03/2004 10:46:20 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
I consider all the "toxics" and other bad things that I consume and breath to be immune system stimulants that not only enhance the imune system but keep it on ready allert!
 
29 posted on 01/03/2004 10:47:16 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: KarlInOhio
Well, did it work?
 
30 posted on 01/03/2004 10:49:32 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Mears
I tend to agree with your assessment. Most of the younger people I meet get ghastly allergic to anything and everything under the sun. A consequence of too much protection from things in the world when kids are young, I postulate.

Larger issue here is, of course: women. (Dons flame-retardant material). Ever since they got uppity with this women's lib crap (not to mention getting the vote), they do what women do: worry and fret and try to keep their kids safe from anything and everything. I mean, it's a natural instinct, there is no faulting that. The fault is the excesses this has been carried to through overempowerment. Oh, and certain geldings like Ralph Nader.

Kids are gonna get sick, skin their knees, break an arm climbing a tree, run through poison oak. That's what they do. That's what they HAVE to do, and aren't being allowed to do by a combination of government regulation, state education, and a de-balled society in general.

There's a whole Taoist discussion that could be brought in here, but basically, it can be summed as: we've lost our natural balance. If it's not regained one way, nature has a way of correcting us in another.
 

31 posted on 01/03/2004 11:00:47 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth
I agree with everything you said,we can't hover over kids and expect them to grow into healthy human beings.

Kids need to explore and experiment,fight with eachother,and yes,get hurt,or how are they going to get along in the larger world.

I live in a city with neighborhood elementary schools so that kids can walk,but that's not done anymore. The mothers are there with the SUVs waiting every day,and the kids never walk to or from school.

Kids need to roll in the dirt more,forget these scheduled "play dates",and learn to get along without adult supervision.


 
32 posted on 01/03/2004 11:20:35 AM PST by Mears
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To: JohnHuang2
My sis-in-law is the type who not only doesn't allow smoking in her house, but also loads her kids up on a pharmacy's worth of medicines, won't have a pet, and (I'm not joking) literally wipes her kitchen and bathroom down with BLEACH every time she uses it.

Guess what?

Her kids (and she) are sick ALL THE TIME. They have spent the entire winter fighting coughs, colds, flus, and other assorted viruses. But they CAN'T fight them (especially the kids), because she hasn't allowed their little immune systems to GROW. The instant the children get even the teeniest bit dirty (like when playing with MY kids, for example), she rushes them off to the anti-bacterial soap factory that is her bathroom.

She is shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you!) to find that I do not own one single bar of the nasty orange stuff (Ivory for us, thanks).

Now, while my house isn't dirty, I confess to not being the "I've got to dust, vacuum and sterilize this place every day" type. Having a sterile house is fine if you never plan to go OUT, but unless you are a hermit, you will go out and get exposed to all kinds of nasty little bugs. With no natural immune system upon which to rely, you may as well be wearing a great big bulls-eye for the germs on your back.

As far as I'm concerned, the best way to keep everybody healthy is to OPEN THE DOORS or CRACK THE WINDOWS to let fresh air in.

Sis-in-law insists on an hermetically-sealed house. It's clean, but it smells like a dentist's office...

Regards,
 
33 posted on 01/03/2004 11:33:31 AM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Mears
As a 71 year old smoker I tend to agree. Kids are sicker now than 30-40 years ago when many of their parents smoked.

I was brought up in the 50's and 60's. ALL THE ADULTS SMOKED! I worked in a nightclub, where everyone smoked. Other jobs I had.........everyone smoked. Going out to nightclubs at night with friends, drinking and smoking and NO smoke eaters!

I could go on and on but you already know what I am going to say.............there was NO ASTHMA back in those days. NONE. And kids weren't so sickly either.

The anti's today would have everyone believe that asthma and all the ill health of kids are blamed on smoking. But I don't think there are many today that smoke around their kids, do you? The Health Department has embedded guilt in responsible adults so deep that they don't DARE smoke around their kids.

I'm sick of this War on the Smokers and I sure am sick of TRUTH and all the Partnership for a Tobacco Free Coalition across the U.S. (I need a cigarette to calm down...........)
 

34 posted on 01/03/2004 11:47:00 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: JohnHuang2; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
 

35 posted on 01/03/2004 11:50:02 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: SheLion
I'm with you,let's light up and think about it.

The vet that I use for my dog even has a sign on the wall saying that smoking is bad for pets.Try to explain that to my 12 year old Sheltie who was preceded by another Sheltie who lasted 15 years.(Of course they were both non- smokers so the antis would say that's why they lived so long)

I've said it before,we are living in a world gone mad with junk science.
 
36 posted on 01/03/2004 11:58:08 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
Sources of Indoor Air Contaminants

Source: OSHA  http://www.osha-slc.gov/FedReg_osha_data/FED19940405.html
A wide variety of substances are emitted by building construction materials and interior furnishings, appliances, office equipment, and supplies, human activities, and biological agents.

For example, formaldehyde is emitted from various wood products, including particle board, plywood, pressed-wood, paneling, some carpeting and backing, some furniture and dyed materials, urea-formaldehyde insulating foam, some cleaners and deodorizers, and from press textiles. Volatile organic compounds, including alkanes, aromatic hydrocarbons, esters, alcohols, aldehydes, and ketones are emitted from solvents and cleaning compounds, paints, glues, caulks, and resins, spray propellants, fabric softeners and deodorizers, unvented combustion sources, dry-cleaning fluids, arts and crafts, some fabrics and furnishings,
stored gasoline, cooking, building and roofing materials, waxes and polishing compounds, pens and markers, binders and plasticizers. Pesticides also contain a variety of toxic organic compounds.

Building materials are point sources of emissions that include a variety of VOCs (Table
III-1).

Some of these materials have been linked to indoor air quality problems. The probability of a source emitting contaminants is related to the age of the material. The newer the material, the higher the potential for emitting contaminants. These materials include adhesives, carpeting, caulks, glazing compounds, and paints [Ex. 4-33]. These materials, as well as
furnishings can act as a sponge or sink in which VOCs are absorbed and then re-emitted later.

Appliances, office equipment, and supplies can emit VOCs and also particulates [Ex.
4-33]. Table III-2 lists the many contaminants that can be emitted from these point sources.
There is an indirect relationship between the age of the point source and the potential rate of
contaminant emission [Ex. 4-33].

It goes on to list all the "evils" in our home.
 

37 posted on 01/03/2004 12:02:15 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: *all
Here is the link. I forgot to add the other link.

 

Sources of Indoor Air Contaminants
 

38 posted on 01/03/2004 12:03:49 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
That's unbelievable.

And many of these toxins are in buildings where you can't even open a window and have to breathe re-circulated air all day.

THe antis never look at those facts,though,it might dilute their agenda.
 
39 posted on 01/03/2004 12:06:15 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
The vet that I use for my dog even has a sign on the wall saying that smoking is bad for pets.Try to explain that to my 12 year old Sheltie who was preceded by another Sheltie who lasted 15 years.(Of course they were both non- smokers so the antis would say that's why they lived so long)

Oh yes! The Coalition of PAID Anti's have gotten to the medical society, that's for sure.

I always have pets in my home. Mostly cats. But they ALL live well past 14 years old. And they are indoor cats. In the summer, I might take them in the yard on a leash, but not that much. They are completely indoor pets. None of them wheeze and cough and have watery eyes, not ever.

What does THAT tell you?

And before Ralph died recently, there was always at least two smokers in this house. My daughter smokes, and SHE smoked in this house before she got married. So, that was THREE smokers in this house. Never bothered our beloved pets one bit.

Just another saga for the War On The Smokers.
 

40 posted on 01/03/2004 12:08:55 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: VermiciousKnid
Just read your post about your sister-in-law.

What a way to live! She will drive herself and her kids crazy if she doesn't lighten up.

Too much use of anti bacterials are proving to be harmful.
 
41 posted on 01/03/2004 12:11:59 PM PST by Mears
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To: JohnHuang2
This theory is not as wacky as it sounds. Take vaccines for example: A vaccine is simply the very disease you want to innoculate yourself from - only in a small amount. For example, a smallpox vaccination consists of a small dose of smallpox itself. The body is thus able to handle this small dose and develop resistance to it so that a full-blown case further down the road is avoided.
 
42 posted on 01/03/2004 12:12:11 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Mears
And many of these toxins are in buildings where you can't even open a window and have to breathe re-circulated air all day.

Here's another thing I will tell you:  I was a Travel Agent when Northwest, in all their glory, was the first airline to go smoke free and proud of it.  That opened the door to the rest of the airlines being forced into going smoke free............now the AIRPORTS are smoke free.

Well, Northwest said that their FILTERS in the PLANES were FILTHY from the smoke.  After a few years, one brave soul came forward and said that THEY ARE STILL FILTHY!  That re-circulated  air is just full of pollutants.

Why?  Because when the airlines went smoke free, they thought they didn't have to change the filters as much. Heh! And people are breathing in that foul, bacteria laden air, and all the non-smokers think that the air in planes are just fine, because gee whiz................NO ONE IS SMOKING.  Wake UP people! SARS ANYONE?
 

43 posted on 01/03/2004 12:13:42 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
My daughter smokes & she has 2 indoor cats. When she lights up one cats eyes water & the other cat doesn't. Like I have been telling ya She, we are all different.
 
44 posted on 01/03/2004 12:16:24 PM PST by Ditter
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To: *all
How work can make you sick

Excerpt:

Offices can make you sick, according to the British Allergy Foundation.

A survey by NOP found at least 40% of office workers have symptoms which have been linked to sick building syndrome, such as sore eyes and throats, headaches and tiredness.

Many workers would put those symptoms down to the stress of poring over a complex report.



 

45 posted on 01/03/2004 12:17:01 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Not only are the airlines not changing filters as often but they have cut down on the actual circulation of fresh air since smoking was prohibited.

As a result people are more like to get diseases. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'd rather put up with a smokey atmosphere than contract TB,than you very much.
 
46 posted on 01/03/2004 12:18:41 PM PST by Mears
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To: Ditter
My daughter smokes & she has 2 indoor cats. When she lights up one cats eyes water & the other cat doesn't. Like I have been telling ya She, we are all different.

My daughter and son-in-law smoke. But since they had the baby, they go outside on their balcony to smoke. They have three cats. The one cat always had watery eyes. And it hasn't let up the past two years since they have been smoking on the balcony. I dunno............I guess there is an argument to everything.


 

47 posted on 01/03/2004 12:23:17 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
As a result people are more like to get diseases. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'd rather put up with a smokey atmosphere than contract TB,than you very much.

"THEY" say that smoking is the root of ALL evils. Well, I think people are finding out that this just isn't true.
 

48 posted on 01/03/2004 12:25:28 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
Health Alerts

You Don't Smoke?  Guess You're Safe?  Think Again.   And Then Stop Wasting Your Life Worrying.

Also...  You think someone else's cigarette smoke is killing you? Check out what the real threats are.
 

49 posted on 01/03/2004 12:27:48 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
The EPA Fraud Alert

THE WORLD HAS BEEN CHEATED BY THE ANTI-TOBACCO CARTEL

USA Federal Court Judge Osteens Rulings
THE DAMNING DECISION

Here is the whole US Federal Court decision. This decision makes liars of all those "professionals" who have exposed themselves by stating that ETS hurts children and adults. It severely questions the integrity of our institutions, and those ministries and department of health who have promoted smoking bans, and manipulated the public opinion into the perception that "smokers are killers". It accuses politicians, health activists, certain doctors, and whoever else has engaged in the persecution of smokers of being corrupted. The anti-smoking cartel has been officially stamped with the truth. But this will not deter it from proceeding with its agenda of repression and deceit. In fact, the cartel has already announced that this decision will not alter its agenda.

When exposed for what it is, the cartel shows no modesty, but it even accelerates the suppression of liberties and its criminal promotion of deceit for as long as it is not stopped by the force of those who are the oppressed.

THE TEXT OF THE DECISION OF THE US FEDERAL COURT ON THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE EPA

"EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before research has begun; excluded industry by violating the [Radon] Act's procedural requirements; adjusted established procedure and scientific norms to validate the agencies public conclusion, and aggressively used the Act's authority to disseminate findings to establish a de facto regulatory scheme intended to restrict Plaintiff's products and to influence public opinion" "The Court is faced with the ugly possibility that EPA adopted a methodology for each chapter, without explanation, based on the outcome sought in that chapter"

"The Court is disturbed that EPA and Kenneth Brown [one of the EPA report's authors] buttress the bioplausibility theory with epidemiological studies. EPA's theory must be independently plausible"

JUDGE OSTEEN'S ORDER

Judge Osteen granted Plaintiff's (the tobacco industry's) motion for partial summary judgement, ordering that Chapter 1 to Chapter 6 and appendices in the EPA's "Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders," (December 1992), be vacated. According to Black's Law, Fourth Edition, the term "vacated" means:

To annul; to set aside; to cancel or rescind; to render an act void; as, to vacate an entry or record, or a judgement.

In layman's terms, Chapters 1 to 6 and appendices to that 1992 EPA secondhand smoke report no longer exist. Therefore, the following conclusions, as taken verbatim from Chapter 1, page 1, of the report, do not exist, and must be disregarded:

THE EPA STATED:
("1.1 Major Conclusions:") THE US FEDERAL COURT RULED:
"Based on the weight of the available scientific evidence, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has concluded that the widespread exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) presents a serious and substantial public health impact." VACATED

In adults: "ETS is a human lung carcinogen responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths annually in the U.S. nonsmokers." VACATED

In children: "ETS exposure is casually associated with an increased risk of lower respiratory tract infections LRIs) such as bronchitis and pneumonia. This report estimates that 150,000 to 300,000 cases annually in infants and young children up to 18 months of age are attributed to ETS." VACATED

"ETS exposure in casually associated with increased prevalence of fluid in the middle ear, symptoms of upper respiratory tract irritation, and small but significant reduction in lung function." VACATED

"ETS exposure is casually associated with additional episodes and increased severity of symptoms in children with asthma. This report estimates that 200,000 to 1,000,000 asthmatic children have their condition worsened by exposure to ETS." VACATED

"ETS exposure is a risk factor for new cases of asthma in children who have not previously displayed symptoms." VACATED

################################

USA Federal Court Judge Osteen's Decision. The EPA ETS Fraud. (1998)

The full 93-page decision document is a synopsis of that decision. This judge vacated all the EPA scientific findings on ETS as fraud and lies and states that passive smoking is not a carcinogen. Vacated means that the science involved no longer exists. The antis are still using this unavailable struck down bullshit against the smoker and the media lets them. WHY???

The decision accuses politicians, health Nazis, certain doctors, and whoever else has engaged in the persecution of smokers of being corrupt. In other words this learned and respected judge is informing you dumbass reporters that anti-smokers lie their bloody pants off, but is this newsworthy, hell no, you lot just keep taking the crap off the antis with no investigation into its being factual and print it. Are you a bunch of spineless jellyfish? Why are you frightened to go against the health Nazis? If I as a factory worker can see through the crap why cant you??

I need say no more about this decision it speaks volumes for itself, take the time to find the full court transcript and ask yourself why this was not the biggest news story of the 20th century. ANTI-SMOKING CARTELS AND HEALTH ACTIVIST, GOVERNMENT LIED. The general public and even the smoker have been lied to and brainwashed on this subject through the media for so long now that they believe anything they hear because they never or rarely hear anything pro-smoking. Like the juror on the latest 173billion dollar lawsuit in the state believed that a smoker couldn't get throat cancer any other way but from his smoking, his work didn't matter and now anything the tobacco industry says is seen as a lie without any research into the matter. If you smoke by association that is what you die of. It's a lie a damned lie and there are many scientists and doctors who would back me up on that.

And the anti-smoking lies go on as they still try to tell whoever is silly enough to listen that Judge Osteen did not deal with asthma and ETS. Bloody lying bastards!!!!!

Joy Faulkner
 

50 posted on 01/03/2004 12:31:33 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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Toxins lead to healthier lives?
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Posted on 01/03/2004 6:43:01 AM PST by JohnHuang2
 

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To: SheLion
Thanks for the great link. Guess I'll have to stop eating bread.

Who knew?
 
51 posted on 01/03/2004 12:34:43 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
It isn't just about being around smokers either.

I kept an article from our local newspaper, May 31, 2003, entitled "Want healthy children? Let 'em eat a little dirt." It's hypothesis is that "early childhood exposure to dirty conditions, including bacteria and other disease-causing germs is important for normal development of the immune system."

Speaking for myself and my family, I think there's some validity to this theory. I remember one day when my daughter (then 2) picked up and ate a rolly-polly bug while playing in the front yard! That happened only once, and of course we discouraged her from repeating the "game." Both of my children are now college freshmen and have seldom been sick. (She has more problems with monthly cramps than with any illness.)

Conversely, those peers of my children who received drugs and/or doctor-visits for every minor cold, cut or problem seem to have developed more allergies and/or tendancy toward illness as adults.

I believe there's something to be said for this theory that exposure to "dirty conditions, including bacteria" during childhood does go a long way toward building up the immune system of that person in adulthood!
 

52 posted on 01/03/2004 12:35:21 PM PST by Prov3456
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
 
53 posted on 01/03/2004 12:37:15 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: SheLion
My all time favorite was when they said children of smokers were more likely to end up in jail than children of non-smokers.

Will they ever stop????
 
54 posted on 01/03/2004 12:38:57 PM PST by Mears
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To: SamAdams76
I don't doubt this either. I guess there may be more truth than we knew to the old saying "That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
 
55 posted on 01/03/2004 12:39:39 PM PST by Route66 (America's Mainstreet)
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To: SheLion
Cigarette smoke causes me to have an asthma attack, nothing else that I encounter does that. Most people don't have that reaction. Even some asthmatics aren't effected by tobacco smoke, other things set them off. I have 2 dogs on my lap right now, my best friend can't even come in my house she is so allergic to dogs. We are all different.
 
56 posted on 01/03/2004 12:42:24 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Mears
Will they ever stop????

Not for awhile, they won't. Not until smokers wise up and stop their funding.
 

57 posted on 01/03/2004 12:43:38 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Ditter
We are all different.

We ARE all different. I am not arguing with you.

What's good for me isn't good for you and what's good for you isn't good for me.

I'm sorry about your health. Is there anything you can do?
 

58 posted on 01/03/2004 12:44:54 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
LOL My health is excellent. Except for a few things I can't eat, I can do anything.
 
59 posted on 01/03/2004 12:47:10 PM PST by Ditter
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To: SheLion
This is an interesting thread. I'm a smoker, too, but that's not the problem. The problem is every winter as soon as the (oil) heat kicks on, my nose dries up inside and starts to hurt. And it hurts until April.

What am I allergic to? Heat?
 
60 posted on 01/03/2004 12:58:17 PM PST by Burn24
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To: Dr.Deth
"I tend to agree with your assessment. Most of the younger people I meet get ghastly allergic to anything and everything under the sun. A consequence of too much protection from things in the world when kids are young, I postulate."

go HERE and read a short article about "homegrown vaccines."
 

61 posted on 01/03/2004 1:01:02 PM PST by redhead (Les Français sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: Mears
"Just read your post about your sister-in-law. What a way to live! She will drive herself and her kids crazy if she doesn't lighten up. Too much use of anti bacterials are proving to be harmful."

I thought I read somewhere that they are beginning to realize that all these germicides being overused so constantly is becoming a problem, and people are being sensitized to the chemicals used to kill the bacteria.
 

62 posted on 01/03/2004 1:05:33 PM PST by redhead (Les Français sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: dalereed
...including DDT which I love the smell of and i've smoked since I was 11.

*chuckle* I read this as you smoked DDT since age 11. I was impressed. ;-)
 

63 posted on 01/03/2004 1:08:57 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: redhead
I thought I read somewhere that they are beginning to realize that all these germicides being overused so constantly is becoming a problem, and people are being sensitized to the chemicals used to kill the bacteria.

I worked with a young fellow who was always sick, and was rather obsessed with germs and what not. Turns out he was constantly on prescription drugs like penecillin. He was diagnosed with a full-body yeast infection.

My son was constantly sick as a baby, and the doctor kept prescribing amoxycillin for anything and everything he said he had. I pressured my wife to switch doctors and not take the kid in every time he sniffled. After going through a bout of something without medical assistance the kid never got sick as frequently again.
 

64 posted on 01/03/2004 1:17:24 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Burn24
What am I allergic to? Heat?

 

You and I are in the same boat, except I heat with wood in a big wood furnace in the basement with an oil furnace for back-up. I, too, sneeze at times. I used to have a humidifier but ran out of room for it.

That seemed to help. I also keep the filters in both furnace changed often. They get really filthy. Especially the wood furnace one.

I think it's because we are inside a closed house and the dry heat the furnaces put out plays hell with our sinuses. It's horrible, I know. I am just now getting over a terrible sinus infection.

And if anyone has ever had one of those, they know the pain and misery they cause.

I never had sinus problems until we moved into this house and started heating with oil and wood. Before we moved to Maine, we had central heating. EVERYWHERE. oh well.
 

65 posted on 01/03/2004 1:22:27 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: JohnHuang2
When my sister was 5 she used to try to eat gravel.
 
66 posted on 01/03/2004 1:35:20 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: KarlInOhio
That would make a great logo for an Ice-Vodka (Tete Rouge)
 
67 posted on 01/03/2004 1:37:57 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: dalereed
How do you smoke DDT? Hickory or Mesquite?
 
68 posted on 01/03/2004 1:39:10 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: SheLion
Thanks for your reply. I also have a humidifier, and an air cleaner, but the only thing that helps is being outdoors (not too practical in January) or standing in the shower. I guess it's just the lack of moisture in the air, even with the humidifier.

I've even snorted water for some relief!
 
69 posted on 01/03/2004 1:46:58 PM PST by Burn24
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To: Burn24
Oh! I forgot about those! I, too, have several HEPA air cleaners in all the rooms downstairs and one upstairs. Still doesn't do any good. This wood heat is very dirty. I have to dust everyday, so can you imagine the air I am breathing?

Then, in the summer, with the windows open, I am breathing in the clouds of pesticide that the farmers put on the fields. I have three fields around my house. Wonder how I am still alive. hehe!
 

70 posted on 01/03/2004 1:53:54 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Here's one for you guys....I didn't start smoking till I was 25, I had my first baby at 18, and my husband was a non-smoker also. I went thru broncial asthma (?) with this child till he was old enough to decide he was going to smoke himself, he was turned down on enlistment because of the lung problems. Now he is 30 and enlisting this week for the army, asthma went away when he took up smoking and now he can enlist...rofl. Its all BS and nothing more than a money grab, people have gotten so paranoid and stupid its ridiculous.
The seat belt law drives me insane, I went to jail for 24 hrs. instead of paying the fine which the judge reducted it from 108.00 to 15.00, I still wouldn't pay. If everyone did that instead of just mailing a check in and tied up the court system, that little law wouldn't last long either.
No one is willing to fight anymore, they keep chinking away at our freedoms on a day to day basis, all in the name of safety and concern. WAKE UP AMERICA before its to late.
 
71 posted on 01/03/2004 2:09:12 PM PST by BriarBey
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To: Burn24
What am I allergic to? Heat?

No...you need more moisture in the air. Summers are more humid and keep your nose from drying and cracking inside, go buy a humidifier or when its really hurting, put a pan of water on the stove, bring it to a boil, throw a towel over your head with the pan and breath the steam. It will make it feel better. I'm sure your nose looks like the cracked desert on the inside....lol.
 
72 posted on 01/03/2004 2:13:35 PM PST by BriarBey
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To: Old Professer
When my sister was 5 she used to try to eat gravel.



Let me guess...now she has teeth and gum problems and poops mortar mix......roflmao.
 
73 posted on 01/03/2004 2:17:28 PM PST by BriarBey
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To: JohnHuang2
Look at it from a Darwinian perspective: we're adapted to a dirty environment. Cave people, hunter-gatherers, early farmers were considerably dirtier than we are. There have only been a few cultures that even bathed regularly (Greece, Rome, Japan, some American Indians), or had anything apporoaching modern public hygeine.

It's only been the last 150 or so years that there has even been a germ theory of disease - before then, cleanliness was an aesthetic (or in some cases ritualistic) mattter.

Also, if things like eating dirt were *really* bad, they'd have been selected out a long time ago.

I'm surprised no-ones quoted Nietzsche:

That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.
 

74 posted on 01/03/2004 2:55:49 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: SheLion; Burn24
Dry heat will do it everytime.

I was always miserable with the forced air heat we had in Delaware, I always kept a window open and pans of water on top of the floor vents for some moisture. And that was natural gas.

Now we have the opposite problem. We have an oil fired furnace but it fuels a baseboard hot water heating system. There is too much moisture in the house so we wound up with mold and all of us were sick for more than a month before we found and eradicated the major source of the mold. We are also firing up the wood stove a little more often in order to dry things out.

My husband and I spent the 3 days after Christmas smelling like clorox and lysol but by Monday we all felt better than we had since before Thanksgiving. And yesterday he spent the day pulling up the old vinyl tiles from the bathroom floor. We've got an electric space heater going in there right now trying to get the sub floor fully dried so that we can put in ceramic tile.

I'm clean - but I'm not a fanatic such as an earlier post described an SIL. One of my daughter's favorite past times is creating mud puddles and making mud pies!!!! She is rarely sick, and even when she does get sick, she's over it within a day or two.
 
75 posted on 01/03/2004 5:09:36 PM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: Gabz
"a baseboard hot water heating system."

I'm glad you solved your mold problem.

You know, it might be worth it for me to move to a place that had hot water heating - it beats having your nose hurt five months a year. Any other drawbacks (besides the mold)?
 
76 posted on 01/03/2004 5:19:46 PM PST by Burn24
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To: Burn24
There really are no drawbacks to it, at all. It keeps moisture in the air and is very effecient. The heat is not what caused the mold, although it didn't help in getting rid of it. I'm sorry if I gave that impression

Where we live there is a very high humidity factor and we've had a horrendous amount of rain since September, nothing is drying and the ground is thoroughly saturated.

There was a tremendous amount of mold build up on the outside of the house and my husband went through 4 gallons of bleach getting rid of it. It actually looks like he put a new coat of paint on it. So between the exterior mold, the high humidity, all the rain, the dampness under the vinyl tile in the bathroom and the hot water heating system - we had a major problem.

Actually there is one drawback to this type of heating system - you most likely would have to buy a much older house or have one custom built. Our house was built in 1945 but the heating system was installed later - it's an old farmhouse that used to beheated with a woodstove. I think the baseboard hot water systems became popular in the early 60s.
 
77 posted on 01/03/2004 5:38:05 PM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: Gabz
OK. Thanks for the tips.
 
78 posted on 01/03/2004 5:42:18 PM PST by Burn24
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To: Burn24
Always happy to help out a fellow FReeper. I would never have survived the ordeal of moving if it wasn't for my FReeper "family" aso I try to return the favor whenever possible!!!!
 
79 posted on 01/03/2004 6:20:37 PM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: JohnHuang2
From Woody Allen's classic film Sleeper:


"Has he asked for anything special?"
"For breakfast, he requested something called wheat germ, organic honey, and tiger's milk."

"Ahh, yes, yes, back then people thought of such things as charmed substances that contained life-preserving properties."

"You mean there was no deep fat, no steak, or hot fudge?"

"Oh, no, those were thought to be unhealthy, precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true."

"Incredible!"

......................................

Later, Miles/Woody watches Diane Keaton's character light up a cigarette for medicinal purposes and moans:

"How could we have been so wrong? Everybody knew fat and caffeine were toxic substances!"

"Miles, everybody knows that the only things that have kept mankind alive are coffee, cigarettes, and red meat!"
 
80 posted on 01/03/2004 6:27:27 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Want ad: What is the best stamp collecting site?)
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To: InvisibleChurch
"coffee, cigarettes, and red meat!"

My daily must have!
 
81 posted on 01/03/2004 6:58:42 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: BriarBey
Actually, she's a professional wrestler and she eats assholes for breakfast.
 
82 posted on 01/03/2004 8:56:33 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Mears
My all time favorite was when they said children of smokers were more likely to end up in jail than children of non-smokers.

Then you haven't seen this crazy one

Will they ever stop????

Hopefully once the baby boomers are all gone
 

83 posted on 01/03/2004 10:57:11 PM PST by qam1 (@Generation X Ping list - Freep me to be added and see my home page for details)
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To: Dr.Deth
There is a TV advertisement that actually shows a mother sterilizing the handlebars of her kid's bike!
 
84 posted on 01/04/2004 6:54:15 AM PST by metesky (My investment program is still holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: qam1
Thanks for your post about bad smokers letting their kids stand up in shopping carts.What a laugh that gave me.God,they will stop at nothing.

As far as the boomers go,they don't think they will ever be gone because of their good living habits. Aren't they all going to live forever?


 
85 posted on 01/04/2004 9:09:36 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
As far as the boomers go,they don't think they will ever be gone because of their good living habits. Aren't they all going to live forever?

<Shiver> Don't even say that, Even as a joke </Chill down the back of my spine>

But no they a'int going to live forever, Past Generations did things to extend their lives like discover antibiotics, vaccines for polio and the erradication of smallpox while today Boomer Scientist instead spend their time coming up with things like Viagra, Prozac, Ritlin, a gazillion different types of antacids and of course all these silly junk studies.

It's too late for the baby boomers they goofed and wasted their limited time on trivial nonsense like how smokers children stand up in shopping carts and whether french fries are addictive or not when they should have been trying to find cures for things that will actually kill them like cancer.
 

86 posted on 01/04/2004 5:06:17 PM PST by qam1 (@Generation X Ping list - Freep me to be added and see my home page for details)
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To: yall
homeopathy doesn't "work."

http://www.homeowatch.org/
 
87 posted on 01/05/2004 1:58:14 AM PST by adam_az
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To: dalereed; Gabz; metesky; Madame Dufarge; SheLion
 


Spring 2003
Contents
 

 
 
   

Public Choice:
Politics Without Romance

James M. Buchanan
Click here for PDF version

Public choice theory demonstrates why looking to government to fix things can often lead to more harm than good, as one of its leading architects and Nobel laureate James M. Buchanan explains

Public choice should be understood as a research programme rather than a discipline or even a sub-discipline of economics. Its origins date to the mid-20th century, and viewed retrospectively, the theoretical 'gap' in political economy that it emerged to fill seems so large that its development seems to have been inevitable.

Nations emerging from World War II, including the Western democracies, were allocating between one-third and one-half of their total product through political institutions rather than through markets. Economists, however, were devoting their efforts almost exclusively to understanding and explaining the market sector. My own modest first entry into the subject matter, in 1949, was little more than a call for those economists who examined taxes and spending to pay some attention to empirical reality, and thus to politics.

Initially, the work of economists in this area raised serious doubts about the political process. Working simultaneously, but independently, Kenneth Arrow and Duncan Black proved that democracy, interpreted as majority rule, could not work to promote any general or public interest. The now-famous 'impossibility theorem', as published in Arrow's book Social Choice and Individual Values (1951), stimulated an extended discussion. What Arrow and Black had in fact done was to discover or rediscover the phenomenon of 'majority cycles', whereby election results rotate in continuous cycles with no equilibrium or stopping point. The suggestion of this analysis was that majoritarian democracy is inherently unstable.

I entered this discussion with a generalised critique of the analysis generated by the Arrow-Black approach. Aren't 'majority cycles' the most desirable outcome of a democratic process? After all, any attainment of political equilibrium via majority rule would amount to the permanent imposition of the majority's will on the outvoted minority. Would not a guaranteed rotation of outcomes be preferable, enabling the members of the minority in one round of voting to come back in subsequent rounds and ascend to majority membership? My concern, then and later, was the prevention of discrimination against minorities rather than stability of political outcomes. The question, from an economist's perspective, was how to obtain a combination of efficiency and justice under majority rule.

Wicksell's insight
The great Swedish economist Knut Wicksell was the most important of all precursory figures in public choice. In his dissertation, published in 1896, he was concerned about both the injustice and the inefficiency resulting from unfettered majority rule in parliamentary assemblies. Majority rule seemed quite likely to impose net costs or damages on large segments of the citizen or taxpayer group. Why should members of such minorities, facing discrimination, lend their support to democratic political structures? Unless all groups can benefit from the ultimate exchange with government, how can overall stability be maintained?

These considerations led Wicksell to question the efficacy of majority rule itself. His solution to the problem was to propose that majority rule be modified in the direction of unanimity. If the agreement of all persons in the voting group is required to implement collective action, it would guarantee that all persons secure net gains and, further, that the approved actions would yield benefits in excess of costs. Of course, Wicksell recognised that, if applied in a literal voting setting, a requirement of unanimity would produce stalemate. To recognise this, however, does not diminish the value of the unanimity rule as a benchmark for comparative evaluation. In suggestions for practical constitutional reforms, Wicksell supported changes in voting rules from simple to qualified or super majorities, for example, a requirement of five-sixths approval for collective proposals.

In their analyses, Black and Arrow had assumed, more or less implicitly, that the choices to be voted on exist prior to, and outside of, the decision-making process itself. Wicksell understood the error in this assumption, although he did not recognise the importance of this insight. Neither did Gordon Tullock, who wrote a seminal paper in 1959 using the example of farmer voters, each of whom wants to have his local road repaired with costs borne by the whole community. Tullock showed that majority rule allows for coalitions of such farmers to generate election results that impose unjust costs on the whole community while producing inefficiently large outlays on local roads.

If majority rule produces unjust and inefficient outcomes, and if political stability is secured only by discrimination against minorities, how can democracy, as the organising principle for political structure, possibly claim normative legitimacy? Wicksell's criterion for achieving justice and efficiency in collective action-the shift from majority rule toward unanimity-seems institutionally impractical. But without some such reform, how could taxpayers be assured that their participation in the democracy would yield net benefits?

Constitutional economics

In implicit response to these questions, Tullock and I commenced to work on what was to become The Calculus of Consent, published in 1962. The central contribution of this book was to identify a two-level structure of collective decision-making. We distinguished between 'ordinary politics', consisting of decisions made in legislative assemblies, and 'constitutional politics', consisting of decisions made about the rules for ordinary politics.

We were not, of course, inventing this distinction. Both in legal theory and in practice, constitutional law had long been distinguished from statute law. What we did was to bring this distinction into economic analysis. Doing so allowed us to answer the questions posed previously: From the perspective of both justice and efficiency, majority rule may safely be allowed to operate in the realm of ordinary politics provided that there is generalised consensus on the constitution, or on the rules that define and limit what can be done through ordinary politics. It is in arriving at this constitutional framework where Wicksell's idea of requiring unanimity-or at least super majorities-may be practically incorporated.

In a sense, the analysis in our book could have been interpreted as a formalisation of the structure that James Madison and his colleagues had in mind when they constructed the American Constitution. At the least, it offered a substantive criticism of the then-dominant elevation of unfettered majority rule to sacrosanct status in political science.

Our book was widely well received, which prompted Tullock and me, who were then at the University of Virginia, to initiate and organise a small research conference in April 1963. We brought together economists, political scientists, sociologists and scholars from other disciplines, all of whom were engaged in research outside the boundaries of their disciplines. The discussion was sufficiently stimulating to motivate the formation of an organisation which we first called the Committee on Non-Market Decision-Making, and to initiate plans for a journal to be called Papers on Non-Market Decision-Making.

We were unhappy with these awkward labels, and after several meetings there emerged the new name 'public choice', both for the organisation and the journal. In this way the Public Choice Society and the journal Public Choice came into being. Both have proved to be quite successful as institutional embodiments of the research programme, and sister organisations and journals have since been set up in Europe and Asia.

Many sub-programmes have emerged from the umbrella of public choice. One in particular deserves mention-'rent seeking', a sub-programme initiated in a paper by Tullock in 1967, and christened with this title by Anne Krueger in 1974. Its central idea emerges from the natural mindset of the economist, whose understanding and explanation of human interaction depends critically on predictable responses to measurable incentives. In essence, it extends the idea of the profit motive from the economic sphere to the sphere of collective action. It presupposes that if there is value to be gained through politics, persons will invest resources in efforts to capture this value. It also demonstrates how this investment is wasteful in an aggregate-value sense.

Tullock's early treatment of rent seeking was concentrated on monopoly, tariffs and theft, but the list could be almost indefinitely expanded. If the government is empowered to grant monopoly rights or tariff protection to one group, at the expense of the general public or of designated losers, it follows that potential beneficiaries will compete for the prize. And since only one group can be rewarded, the resources invested by other groups-which could have been used to produce valued goods and services-are wasted. Given this basic insight, much of modern politics can be understood as rent-seeking activity. Pork-barrel politics is only the most obvious example. Much of the growth of the bureaucratic or regulatory sector of government can best be explained in terms of the competition between political agents for constituency support through the use of promises of discriminatory transfers of wealth.

As noted, the primary contribution of The Calculus of Consent was to distinguish two levels of collective action, ordinary or day-to-day politics and constitutional politics. Indeed, the subtitle of that book was 'Logical Foundations of Constitutional Democracy'. Clearly, political action takes place at two distinct levels, one within the existing set of rules or constitution, the other establishing the rules or constitution that impose limits on subsequent actions.
Only recently have economists broken away from the presumption that constraints on choices are always imposed from the outside. Recent research has involved the choice of constraints, even on the behavior of persons in non-collective settings, for instance, with regard to drug or gambling addiction. But even beyond that, what I have called the 'constitutional way of thinking' shifts attention to the framework rules of political order-the rules that secure consensus among members of the body politic. It is at this level that individuals calculate their terms of exchange with the state or with political authority. They may well calculate that they are better off for their membership in the constitutional order, even while assessing the impact of ordinary political actions to be contrary to their interests.
A somewhat loose way of putting this is to say that in a constitutional democracy, persons owe loyalty to the constitution rather than to the government. I have long argued that on precisely this point, American public attitudes are quite different from those in Europe.

Objections to public choice
There is a familiar criticism of public choice theory to the effect that it is ideologically biased. In comparing and analysing alternative sets of constitutional rules, both those in existence and those that might be introduced prospectively, how does public choice theory, as such, remain neutral in the scientific sense?

Here it is necessary to appreciate the prevailing mindset of social scientists and philosophers at the midpoint of the 20th century when public choice arose. The socialist ideology was pervasive, and was supported by the allegedly neutral research programme called 'theoretical welfare economics', which concentrated on identifying the failures of observed markets to meet idealised standards. In sum, this branch of inquiry offered theories of market failure. But failure in comparison with what? The implicit presumption was always that politicised corrections for market failures would work perfectly. In other words, market failures were set against an idealised politics.

Public choice then came along and provided analyses of the behavior of persons acting politically, whether voters, politicians or bureaucrats. These analyses exposed the essentially false comparisons that were then informing so much of both scientific and public opinion. In a very real sense, public choice became a set of theories of governmental failures, as an offset to the theories of market failures that had previously emerged from theoretical welfare economics. Or, as I put it in the title of a lecture in Vienna in 1978, public choice may be summarised by the three-word description, 'politics without romance'.

The public choice research programme is better seen as a correction of the scientific record than as the introduction of an anti-governmental ideology. Regardless of any ideological bias, exposure to public choice analysis necessarily brings a more critical attitude toward politicised nostrums to alleged socioeconomic problems. Public choice almost literally forces the critic to be pragmatic in comparing alternative constitutional arrangements, disallowing any presumption that bureaucratic corrections for market failures will accomplish the desired objectives.

A more provocative criticism of public choice centres on the claim that it is immoral. The source of this charge lies in the application to politics of the assumption that individuals in the marketplace behave in a self-interested way. More specifically, economic models of behaviour include net wealth, an externally measurable variable, as an important 'good' that individuals seek to maximise. The moral condemnation of public choice is centred on the presumed transference of this element of economic theory to political analysis. Critics argue that people acting politically -for example, as voters or as legislators-do not behave as they do in markets. Individuals are differently motivated when they are choosing 'for the public' rather than for themselves in private choice capacities. Or so the criticism runs.

At base, this criticism stems from a misunderstanding that may have been fostered by the failure of economists to acknowledge the limits of their efforts. The economic model of behaviour, even if restricted to market activity, should never be taken to provide the be-all and end-all of scientific explanation. Persons act from many motives, and the economic model concentrates attention only on one of the many possible forces behind actions. Economists do, of course, presume that the 'goods' they employ in their models for predicting behaviour are relatively important. And in fact, the hypothesis that promised shifts in net wealth modify political behaviour in predictable ways has not been readily falsifiable empirically.

Public choice, as an inclusive research programme, incorporates the presumption that persons do not readily become economic eunuchs as they shift from market to political participation. Those who respond predictably to ordinary incentives in the marketplace do not fail to respond at all when they act as citizens. The public choice theorist should, of course, acknowledge that the strength and predictive power of the strict economic model of behaviour is somewhat mitigated as the shift is made from private market to collective choice. Persons in political roles may, indeed, act to a degree in terms of what they consider to be the general interest. Such acknowledgment does not, however, in any way imply that the basic explanatory model loses all of its predictive potential, or that ordinary incentives no longer matter.

Impact of public choice
Public choice theory has developed and matured over the course of a full half-century. It is useful to assess the impact and effects of this programme, both on thinking in the scientific community and in the formation of public attitudes. By simple comparison with the climate of opinion in 1950, both the punditry and the public are more critical of politics and politicians, more cynical about the motivations of political action, and less naive in thinking that political nostrums offer easy solutions to social problems. And this shift in attitudes extends well beyond the loss of belief in the efficacy of socialism, a loss of belief grounded both in historical regime failures and in the collapse of intellectually idealised structures.

As I noted earlier, when we look back at the scientific and public climates of discussion 50 years ago, the prevailing mindset was socialist in its underlying presupposition that government offered the solution to social problems. But there was a confusing amalgam of Marxism and ideal political theory involved: Governments, as observed, were modelled and condemned by Marxists as furthering class interests, but governments which might be installed 'after the revolution', so to speak, would become both omniscient and benevolent.

In some of their implicit modelling of political behavior aimed at furthering special group or class interests, the Marxists seemed to be closet associates of public choice, even as they rejected methodological individualism. But how was the basic Marxist critique of politics, as observed, to be transformed into the idealised politics of the benevolent and omniscient superstate? This question was simply left glaringly unanswered. And the debates of the 1930s were considered by confused economists of the time to have been won by the socialists rather than by their opponents, Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek. Both sides, to an extent, neglected the relevance of incentives in motivating human action, including political action.

The structure of ideas that was adduced in support of the emerging Leviathan welfare state was logically flawed and could have been maintained only through long-continued illusion. But, interestingly, the failure, in whole or in part, of the socialist structure of ideas did not come from within the academy. Mises and Hayek were not successful in their early efforts, and classical liberalism seemed to be at its nadir at mid-century. Failure came, not from a collapse of an intellectually defunct structure of ideas, but from the cumulative record of non-performance in the implementation of extended collectivist schemes-non-performance measured against promised claims, something that could be observed directly. In other words, governments everywhere overreached. They tried to do more than the institutional framework would support. This record of failure, both in the socialist and welfare states, came to be recognised widely, commencing in the 1960s and accelerating in the 1970s.

Where is the influence of public choice in this history? I do not claim that it dislodged the prevailing socialist mindset in the academies, and that this intellectual shift then exerted feedback on political reality. What I do claim is that public choice exerted major influence in providing a coherent understanding and interpretation of what could be everywhere observed. The public directly sensed that collectivistic schemes were failing, that politicisation did not offer the promised correctives for any and all social ills, that governmental intrusions often made things worse rather than better. How could these direct observations be fitted into a satisfactory understanding?

Public choice came along and offered a foundation for such an understanding. Armed with nothing more than the rudimentary insights from public choice, persons could understand why, once established, bureaucracies tend to grow apparently without limit and without connection to initially promised functions. They could understand why pork-barrel politics dominated the attention of legislators; why there seems to be a direct relationship between the overall size of government and the investment in efforts to secure special concessions from government (rent seeking); why the tax system is described by the increasing number of special credits, exemptions, and loopholes; why balanced budgets are so hard to secure; and why strategically placed industries secure tariff protection.

A version of the old fable about the king's nakedness may be helpful here. Public choice is like the small boy who said that the king really has no clothes. Once he said this, everyone recognised that the king's nakedness had been recognised, but that no-one had really called attention to this fact.

Let us be careful not to claim too much, however. Public choice did not emerge from some profoundly new insight, some new discovery, some social science miracle. Public choice, in its basic insights into the workings of politics, incorporates an understanding of human nature that differs little, if at all, from that of James Madison and his colleagues at the time of the American Founding. The essential wisdom of the 18th century, of Adam Smith and classical political economy and of the American Founders, was lost through two centuries of intellectual folly. Public choice does little more than incorporate a rediscovery of this wisdom and its implications into economic analyses of modern politics.

The Author
James M. Buchanan
, winner of the 1986 Alfred Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, is Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Economics at George Mason University. He is best known for developing the 'public choice theory' of economics. Reprinted from Imprimis (March 2003), the national speech digest of Hillsdale College (www.hillsdale.edu)


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88 posted on 01/05/2004 4:46:20 AM PST by Leisler (Bored? Short of cash? Go to a Dean "Meetin". It is free, freaky and you'll laugh your butt off.)
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It do sound familiar. Maybe we need a grant to do research. They send us a barrel of money. We sit on it for a while. Then publish what we already know and spend the money.


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Tiny doses of some toxins may make body stronger, theory says

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WASHINGTON - Tiny doses of toxins and radiation in the environment, once seen as insignificant, affect people's health in good and bad ways, scientists are finding.

In some cases - such as most types of radiation and cancer-causing dioxin - tiny exposures may benefit people, according to a scientific theory that's becoming more widely accepted.

In other cases - such as lead and tiny particles of soot - new research indicates that doses once considered insignificant sometimes make people sick.

If these findings seem to be confusing, that's because toxicologists are still trying to understand them. Whether small doses of toxins are beneficial or harmful seems to depend on what the substances are, how small the doses are, what diseases are being studied and who's exposed to them.

But toxicologists agree that small doses of toxic substances do matter. Findings in this developing science could dramatically change how society weighs the risks of pollution and environmental and public health regulations. It will also affect thinking about which pollution poses the greatest health threats.

"A little arsenic, dioxin or radiation peppered on the spaghetti sauce may be just what we require to live long and healthy lives," reads a somewhat tongue-in-cheek article posted in January by the Science & Environment Policy Project.

"And since humans need more toxins in our environment than allowed under current government regulations, so the theory goes, future efforts to clean up the environment could be greatly reduced."

SEPP is an advocacy group that fights mainstream scientists' claims about the existence of global warming.

"The real question is what is happening at low doses as opposed to what is happening at high doses," Linda Birnbaum, the Environmental Protection Agency's director of experimental toxicology and the incoming president of the Society of Toxicology, said this week.

A National Academy of Sciences study on the health effects of low-level radiation - including possible beneficial effects - is due late this year. It's expected to give the most comprehensive and independent look to date at small-dose issues.

Edward Calabrese, a toxicology professor at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, is the driving force behind the new look at the effects of small doses of toxic chemicals. The once-discredited theory, called hormesis, is making its way into mainstream science and will be a central topic at next month's Society of Toxicology conference in Baltimore.

"You have (low doses of toxins and radiation) that could be used for good, something that could be used for bad, maybe both at the same time," said Calabrese, a researcher who's on several government scientific advisory boards.

The idea behind hormesis is that parts of human cells change when challenged with small doses of toxins. These changes often make the cell stronger at first, until it's overwhelmed by larger doses. It's similar to the immunity-building effects produced by small and weakened doses of viruses used in vaccines, Calabrese said.

With the help of a $900,000 U.S. Air Force contract, he's developed a database of 6,000 studies that he says show hormesis effects.

Some, Calabrese says, show that low levels of dioxin - a group of cancer-causing chemicals that are byproducts of burning and industrial activities - reduce liver tumors. Other studies suggest health benefits from low doses of non-radon radiation.

Calabrese once was the bane of polluting industries, showing that single doses of certain chemicals can cause cancer. Now polluters use his theories to make the case for reduced pollution regulations.

Calabrese says that oversimplifies his position because he believes that low doses are beneficial in some cases and harmful in others.

"The blanket statement that low doses can be helpful is wrong," said Peter deFur, an environmental studies professor at Virginia Commonwealth University who serves on the EPA's chemical advisory board. "There's no evidence to support that what's actually happening is actually good for you."

Birnbaum said Calabrese's work fails to examine at other side effects. It doesn't look at how small doses of some toxins can accumulate in a body. And, she said, it doesn't take into account the way different toxins in the body interact in new and harmful ways.

Calabrese acknowledges these limitations.

"The idea that low doses of things may have a good effect is something we have to be very, very careful about," Birnbaum said.

"Hormesis has been considered a fringe theory for decades," said Dr. Gina Solomon, a physician and senior scientist at the environmental advocacy group Natural Resources Defense Council. "It's been used to justify widespread exposure to toxic chemicals and radiation."

In a 2003 scientific journal, Calabrese said his research should be used to change environmental regulations and attitudes toward toxins in a way "not unlike changing from a Soviet-style society to a Western one."

Environmental activists are worried because Calabrese's theories have the ear of the top regulatory official in the Bush administration. John Graham, director of the White House's Office of Information and Regulatory Analysis, had been on the board of directors of an organization that Calabrese set up to promote hormesis research. Asked by e-mail why he thought the research was important. Graham declined to comment, saying he hasn't been following the issue since he joined the administration in 2001.

Birnbaum and deFur cautioned that adverse health effects also come from low doses of toxins, and should be taken into account in regulations and chemical thresholds.

They pointed to research indicating that lead at levels previously thought to be acceptable are proving harmful to child development. Other recent studies also show that tinier-than-regulated amounts of soot in the air cause asthma, a chronic lung condition, Birnbaum said.

New research also shows that small amounts of estrogen and other endocrine system developers are causing fish kills in the nation's rivers, deFur said.

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For more information, check out the Web site for Calabrese's group, Biologic Effects of Low Level Exposures at the University of Massachusetts at: http://www.belleonline.com

The Society of Toxicologists' Web site: http://www.toxicology.org/

 

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