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The Many Faces of John Kerry (Part 1)


 

Posted Aug. 29, 2003


 

By John Pike
Sen. Kerry frequently has found himself staking out positions on all sides of controversial topics.
Sen. Kerry frequently has found himself staking out positions on all sides of controversial topics.


 

This is the first of a two-part, in-depth report on Sen. John Kerry and the 2004 presidential race. To read the second part, come back to Insight Online on Tuesday, Sept. 2.

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, 60, was scheduled formally to announce his bid for the Democratic nomination for president in front of an aircraft carrier in South Carolina as this issue of Insight went to press. This is the same John Kerry who only a few months ago complained when President George W. Bush landed on the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln. The carrier was returning from the Middle East, and the president went to welcome home the warfighters aboard, but Kerry charged he used it as a stage prop for campaigning.

It is said in the Bay State that it may take extraterrestrial intelligence to figure out John Kerry. He has the backbone to fly a plane under a bridge, ride motorcycles at high speed and steer a warship toward enemy fire in Vietnam, beach it and earn the Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Yet he does not have the spine to stick with a politically unpopular opinion, or even reveal his ethnic and family heritage. In Boston they say it is as if Kerry's backbone works for only half his body. Call him the man with half a backbone.

Granted, to win elections American politicians of every political stripe have for decades altered and bonded their positions to suit the zeitgeist of public opinion. But Kerry has been singled out by both Democrats and Republicans for saying without conviction or belief whatever will generate media attention and help win elections. Often he is ambivalent or obfuscates to try to satisfy those on both sides of antithetical issues. Many editorial writers and commentators have dismissed him as a transparent self-promoter, a phony and an opportunist. It has been reported widely that he has been running for president since his days at prep school, with every significant move in his life calculated to further that end. A local joke among Boston pols is that his initials, JFK, stand for "Just for Kerry."

At a time of few antiwar protests, Kerry had during a class speech at graduation questioned the wisdom of militarily engaging the North Vietnamese. But he knew the political value of military service. After being graduated from Yale in 1966 following years at prestigious New England and European boarding schools, Kerry did not delay or avoid service in Vietnam. Soon he commanded a patrol boat similar to that of John F. Kennedy, the mother of all JFKs, whose political career he sought to emulate. After a few months he requested and received a transfer out of Southeast Asia to become an aide to an admiral in Washington, and then maneuvered an early honorable discharge to run for Congress. But the district he picked was very liberal indeed, and he soon found it was impossible to get to the left of Robert Drinan, a Jesuit priest from Boston College Law School, and dropped out of the contest.

Kerry's first national media attention - and the first in which the epithet "phony" was directed against him - came on April 22, 1971, when he testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations as part of a carefully orchestrated buildup to an antiwar protest in Washington. The object was publicity, and a nationwide storm developed around this tall young man still in his 20s. He spoke as a member of an antiwar group called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), some of whom felt kinship with Communist China's Chairman Mao. Testifying eloquently against the war and U.S. bombings using a speech prepared by Bobby Kennedy speechwriter Adam Walinsky, Kerry slipped away from the manuscript to add rhetorical bombs of his own design, saying he had heard U.S. soldiers relate how they had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war." Kerry also was quoted during this period as saying, "War crimes in Vietnam are the rule, not the exception." He spoke on television of "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

Many veterans were outraged at these charges of American war crimes, which he later acknowledged he personally never saw, and which it developed had been spun out of the mouths of young Maoists. Michael Bernique, who served with Kerry as a swift-boat skipper, reportedly said, "I think there was a point in time when John was making it up fast and quick. I think he was saying whatever he needed to say."

War veteran John O'Neill, who publicly debated Kerry at this time, has been reported as saying Kerry's statements about war crimes were irresponsible, wrong, immoral and a "disservice to all the people that were there. ... The war didn't change [Kerry]. I think he was a guy driven tremendously by ambition. I think he was that way before he went and is that way today."

With his testimony before the committee, Kerry was in the eye of a hurricane, providing visibility calculated to propel a political career in Eastern Massachusetts, a whirlpool of antiwar activism so powerful that in 1972 it was the only state to vote for antiwar candidate George McGovern. Years later, local journalists laugh, Boston's pol Billy Bulger gave Kerry the nickname "live shot" for his strenuous efforts to appear on the nightly news.

But did Kerry's private beliefs about the Vietnam War match his public statements of opposition? Was it all a fraud to ride the antiwar movement and gain media attention? President Richard Nixon's staff certainly thought Kerry was a phony. According to a secretly recorded White House conversation on April 28, 1971, Nixon spoke on the phone with his counsel, Charles Colson. Consider:

"This fellow Kerry that they had on last week," says Colson about a Kerry TV appearance, "he turns out to be quite a phony."

"Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?" says Nixon.

"Yes," says Colson, and mentions that in the antiwar demonstrations held that weekend Kerry stayed at the home of a Georgetown socialite while other protesters slept on The Mall. "He's politically ambitious and just looking for an issue. Yeah. He came back [from Vietnam] a hawk and became a dove when he saw the political opportunities."

"Sure," says Nixon. "Well, anyway, keep the faith."

A Kerry spokesman denies he returned from Vietnam a hawk.

In another reported conversation, White House chief of staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman is speaking to Nixon: "He [Kerry] did a superb job on it at the Foreign Relations Committee yesterday. A Kennedy-type guy, he looks like a Kennedy, and he, he talks exactly like a Kennedy." A reporter says Kerry deliberately affected his accent during the testimony to sound like John and Bobby Kennedy. For example, he occasionally "ahsked" questions.

And three days later Haldeman tells the president, "Kerry, it turns out, some time ago decided he wanted to get into politics. Well, he ran for, took a stab at, the congressional thing. And he consulted with some of the folks in the Georgetown set here. So what, what the issue, what, he'd like to get an issue. He wanted a horse to ride."

And there are others, this time within the antiwar movement itself, who also viewed Kerry as a fake. When he returned to the United States in April 1969 he was still a U.S. Navy officer and not protesting the war, though it was a time of many demonstrations. He first became involved in the antiwar movement that October after his sister Peggy, who was working for a radical group organizing a 250,000-strong Washington antiwar protest, contacted Kerry to ask if he could provide a plane and fly an activist around New York state to deliver speeches. He could, and he reportedly flew the plane himself to get a look at the burgeoning movement.

Soon afterward, in January 1971, Kerry attended a series of hearings of the radical VVAW in Detroit. He did not speak at the event, which received limited press coverage. He is said to have wanted a larger platform, the top role. It was here again that Kerry was labeled an opportunist, this time by radical members of the VVAW. He was not an organizer, yet he was seeking to become the spokesman and coordinator. He was called a power-grabbing elitist who generated internal friction within the group.

But some members also believed that Kerry - intelligent, clean-cut and college-educated - would be an especially effective representative for a group being labeled as hippies, traitors or communists. He also was seen as able to raise big money, which he did.

Within five months of becoming its leader, Kerry says he quit the VVAW to focus on a new organization that emphasized veterans' benefits. Others say he was told to leave. His personal arrogance was so notorious that a Doonesbury cartoon from the era, created by fellow Yale alumnus Garry Trudeau, pictured Kerry as a shameless self-promoter. Another displays him absorbing praise following a speech, beaming and saying to himself, "You're really clicking tonight, you gorgeous preppie."

From the start, Kerry's mouth has been a loose cannon. During his first run for Congress, trying to get to the left of Father Drinan, Kerry was quoted as saying he would like to "almost eliminate CIA activity" and declaring that he wanted U.S. troops "dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."

Saying whatever he needed to say apparently came easily to Kerry during his failed 1972 second attempt for Congress. According to Anthony R. DiFruscia, who ran against Kerry in that race and now is a Republican state representative in New Hampshire, Kerry would say one thing in one town and something else in another. In the more Spanish and Catholic area of Lawrence, DiFruscia said recently, Kerry would give speeches saying he personally was opposed to abortion and finds it repulsive, leaving the impression he was opposed to abortion. But in the more socially liberal and protestant Concord area, Kerry would say he supports a woman's right to choose, so voters there would believe he supported abortion. "He set a pattern of providing to various groups what they wanted to hear," DiFruscia said. And, "Kerry would also show pictures of himself holding a gun" and then make vehement statements opposing the war.

"Kerry is an opportunist, no doubt about it, and a carpetbagger" who moved to Lowell, Mass., only to run for office, says DiFruscia. "I do not think his stripes have changed much, but maybe they have."

After that 1972 congressional campaign - a race that also included future congressman, U.S. senator and presidential candidate Paul Tsongas - DiFruscia had lunch with the two men."Back in 1973, [Kerry] said he had presidential ambitions," says DiFruscia. "He planned his life around being president. There was sincerity with Paul that I did not see with John. Kerry would make statements according to only what he thought people wanted to hear, rather than how be believed the country should be influenced."

Another candidate that election year was Paul J. Sheehy, who said recently that Kerry was even more liberal in 1972 than he is now. According to his best recollection, Sheehy reports, Kerry said in a speech during that race that things were so bad someone had died of starvation in Lowell, an event that never happened. Kerry ran fourth in Lowell.

John Pike is a contributing writer for Insight. Read Part 2 of "The Many Faces of John Kerry."

 

 

 

 

 

The Many Faces of John Kerry (Part 2)


 

Posted Sept. 2, 2003


 

By John Pike
Kerry once never missed an opportunity to align himself with Ted Kennedy or the Kennedy clan, or to play up his supposed Irish heritage.
Kerry once never missed an opportunity to align himself with Ted Kennedy or the Kennedy clan, or to play up his supposed Irish heritage.


 

Is Kerry a Democratic liberal or a centrist, as sometimes is claimed? The rating services of both the left and right report that he votes with Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts about 96 percent of the time in support of a strong tax-raising and government-knows-best platform. In the 1972 campaign, Kerry ads displayed photos of Kerry and Kennedy together.

John Forbes Kerry no longer trumpets the fact that his initials are JFK, and he has expunged his middle initial from his bumper stickers. Political operatives in the Bay State say this is because it is believed his close association with the Kennedys and Massachusetts liberalism might hurt his presidential candidacy, especially in the South. When it is remembered that he was Democratic presidential-nominee Michael Dukakis' lieutenant governor, Kerry campaigners note that the two were elected on separate ballots.

There are other image problems that still have not been handled. The week that included Kerry's appearance before Congress included another incident that produced an embarrassment that took years to be exposed. In a protest on April 23, 1971, Kerry led his shocked countrymen to believe that, weeping, he and his VVAW comrades had tossed their war medals onto the steps of the Capitol where a large sign nearby proclaimed: "Trash." It stirred the emotions for those on both sides of the conflict and again spurred media attention for Kerry. But then in 1984 a reporter noticed that Kerry's medals were displayed on the wall of his office and the Wall Street Journal reported that, when confronted, Kerry claimed he actually tossed away his combat ribbons, not his medals. Kerry says he threw someone else's medals. Whatever the truth, he had let the fabrication continue for years.

But enough for now of Kerry's life many years ago when the Earth was flat. Anyone past the age of 40 knows that people change their minds and even reform their character during the course of their lives. Perhaps the question should be, "Is Kerry still saying whatever needs to be said to get elected?" You bet, critics say.

Last December, after arriving a half-hour late to speak and answer the questions of 175 politically savvy Dartmouth College students on the cold and snowy New Hampshire campus, Kerry spoke of the need for increased investment in renewable energy sources such as wind, geothermal, ethanol, biomass and solar. "Twenty percent of all electricity to be produced by renewable energy sources by 2020" is his battle cry. He calls for "a new Manhattan Project" for alternative energy. He says he disagrees with the Green Party platform on only one issue, but doesn't say which. The kids love it.

Naturally, when a private company came to Massachusetts recently and told of plans to generate electricity with the winds that blow through the 18 miles of ocean between touristy Cape Cod and wealthy Nantucket Island, one would expect that Kerry would jump up and down with glee. Wrong. He is waffling. With super-rich landholders and yachtsmen such as Walter Cronkite, the Kennedys, Kerry himself, and his neighbors concerned about the possible sighting from the shore or their yachts of a few sea-based windmills, the candidate is unwilling to give the project his support at this time - a critical period when the alternative-energy company needs as much help as it can get. Critics call it hypocritical, but a Kerry spokesman provides this disclaimer: "The facts aren't in on Cape Wind and its environmental effect. ... John Kerry is waiting for all the information to come in the environmental-impact statement before he makes a decision on whether to support the project."

Those opposed to the project are not saying they don't want to have to sail around the windmills, but are talking about such concerns and sensitivities as whether birds will fly into them and be hurt or killed - a worry that never stopped the erecting of a skyscraper or a barn or house or even a telephone pole. Needless to say, environmentalists who favor use of alternative energy to replace fossil fuels wherever possible, and who considered Kerry to be a strong ally, indeed a very strong ally, are beginning to use the "O" word for opportunist and the "P" word for phony.

Kert Davies, research director of Greenpeace, has put it this way: "Kerry is the one who really needs to be called out on this stuff. He's been pretty mum so far. We don't know where he stands." And many on the left who were expected to support Kerry's candidacy, but have drifted off to Howard Dean, say there is a pattern to all of this. Most cite the invasion of Iraq, currently a more important issue than renewable energy. They note that Kerry voted to give Bush authorization to wage war in Iraq, and they say they are not likely to forgive him for it.

In a speech Jan. 23 at Washington's Georgetown University, this longtime member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said, "We need a new approach to national security. A bold progressive internationalism that stands in stark contrast to the too-often belligerent and myopic unilateralism of the Bush administration. The blustering unilateralism is wrong, and even dangerous, for our country. In practice, it has meant alienating our longtime friends and allies, alarming potential foes and spreading anti-Americanism around the world. I say to the president, show respect for the process of international diplomacy because it is not only right, it can make America stronger. And show the world some appropriate patience in building a genuine coalition. Mr. President, do not rush to war."

Columnist Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe also wonders whether Kerry tries to be all things to all people. Jacoby reports that, when in the early 1990s a constituent wrote Kerry expressing support for an invasion of Iraq, Kerry's office responded by sending two letters - one saying he opposed the war and another supporting President George H.W. Bush's response. Kerry blamed it on computer problems and the failure to dispatch a third letter - one opposing the war but supporting the troops.

With antiwar candidate Dean moving ahead in New Hampshire and Iowa, Kerry continued to try to present himself as both for the war and against it, say Democratic political consultants in the Bay State. Now, they say, he may be writing off those states in favor of a last-ditch stand in the South as a national-security veteran.

An experienced Kerry watcher reminds that in 1984, when he first was trying to win election to the Senate, his chief rival in the tough Democratic primary was U.S. Rep. James M. Shannon. Kerry had been outscored by Shannon, 100-94, on the endorsement questionnaire of a group opposed to America's then-growing military. In Massachusetts, the antiwar vote was and is significant, and the two liberals were vying for their vote. A member of the group favoring a reduction in funds earmarked to build key weapons systems contacted a Kerry lieutenant and advised that Kerry change his answers on the questionnaire so that both candidates would have an equal score. Kerry changed his answers, both got a perfect score and the maneuver kept Shannon from receiving the important endorsement.

In seeking approval of this disarmament group, Kerry formally expressed approval of canceling a host of the very weapons systems that helped defeat Iraq so quickly, including the B-1 and B-2 stealth bombers, the AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile system, the F-15, F-14A and F-14D jets, the AV-8B Harrier jet, the Aegis air-defense cruiser and the Trident missile system. Kerry says of this 1984 campaign posture, "I'm sure that some of it was driven at the time by the nature of the beast I was fighting politically."

Kerry said recently he does not remember changing his answers on the questionnaire, even though it was well-publicized at the time, and that his first responses may just have been a misstatement of his position or misinterpreted. "I wasn't trying to be on both sides of it," he soothes.

The problem for Bay Staters who know him, and for Democrats in nearby New Hampshire who are swamped by Massachusetts media with tales of his comings and goings, poses and postures, commitments and causes, is that this man thinks nothing at all of being mercurial and contradictory. It is a joke among local politicians that Kerry will simply say or do anything for the slightest advantage. For instance, they point out, Massachusetts has lots of folks of Irish decent who vote out of proportion to their numbers and being Irish there is a strong advantage to winning election - especially for Democrats, as the large number of Irish surnames at the Massachusetts Statehouse will testify. "It is how you become one of the boys," says Mike Gilleran, the former deputy chief of the Massachusetts Republican Party.

To Kerry's advantage his surname sounds Irish and his facial features look Celtic to locals. Virtually everyone has always assumed he was Irish-American. He isn't. And not only is he not Irish-American, his mother's people are New England Brahmins. For some Massachusetts Democrats, voting even once for a Yankee Brahmin requires three "Hail Marys" to cleanse the soul.

The maternal ancestors of John Forbes Kerry include the Forbeses, who made their fortune starting the Boston-China trade, and the Winthrops, one of whom led the English settlers overseas to Boston and was the first governor of Massachusetts in the 1630s. Another Winthrop was governor of Connecticut from 1676 to 1683.

While Kerry's maternal forebears were known by all, he was forgiven that accident of birth for the sake of his father's presumed Irish stock. Kerry says he has known for only about 15 years that his father's mother was in fact Jewish and from the former Austrian empire. He also says he only found out recently, when a Boston Globe reporter informed him of it, that around 1902 his grandfather Kohn, a Jew from Bohemia, changed his name from Kohn to Kerry. Not only that, he says he was completely unaware that grandfather Kerry shot himself to death in the men's room of the Copley Hotel in Boston, a story so notorious that it appeared at the time on the front pages of Boston newspapers.

Although a Kerry spokesman says that he continually corrected reported misstatements about his supposed Irish heritage, it immediately became clear to the scoffing Boston press that the senator had manipulated the misunderstanding to his advantage, having tried to correct the record in only the most tangential way if at all. Other Massachusetts politicians also have lied about their supposedly Irish heritage to gain electoral advantage. But, says Gilleran, "If it were understood by the population that he was not Irish, he would never have risen in Massachusetts politics.

Pretense to imaginary forebears may be a misdemeanor as these things go, but breaking and entering is not. Heard of Watergate? Get ready for Lowellgate.

On Sept. 18, 1972, the evening before the primary election during his second attempt for Congress, Kerry's brother Cameron and one Thomas Vallely, both part of his current campaign team, were arrested by Lowell police at 1:40 a.m. and charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny. The two were apprehended in the basement of a building whose door had been forced open, police said. It housed the headquarters of candidate DiFruscia. The Watergate scandal was making headlines at this time, and it was called the Lowell Watergate.

"They wanted to sever my telephone lines," DiFruscia said recently. Had those lines been cut, Kerry's opponent would not have been able to telephone supporters on Election Day to get out the vote and coordinate poll watchers, vital roles in a close election. "I do not know if they wanted to break into my office," says DiFruscia today. At the time he said, "All my IBM cards and the list of my voter identification in the greater Lowell area are in my headquarters."

Cameron and Vallely, along with David Thorne, who was Kerry's campaign manager at the time and has been close to him since they attended Yale together, did not deny the two entered the building in which they were captured. They said at the time they were in the cellar of the building to check their own telephone lines because they had received an anonymous call warning they would be cut.

This reporter heard an allegation that another congressional candidate placed the alleged anonymous call, which was denied. But if the Kerry campaign was concerned about someone breaking and entering to cut off its telephone service, why didn't they just call the police? Why break the law? And what does any of this say about Kerry's mind-set? Kerry campaign officials did not answer important Lowellgate questions.

The case was transferred to superior court and continued without a finding, where it was dismissed about a year later. But since it happened at the last minute, and Kerry won the primary but went on to lose the general election, this ugly business did not receive intense media scrutiny. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were busy investigating another break-in.

To tease Kerry, the editors of his Yale yearbook listed him as a member of the Young Republicans. As the Democratic primary grows more heated, says a top Democratic political consultant, the issues are likely to become: "What is a Democrat?" And, "Is John Kerry one of them?"

John Pike is a contributing writer for Insight magazine. Read "The Many Faces of John Kerry," Part 1.

 

 

 

 

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Reader Offers Evidence That Sen. John Kerry Is Two-Faced

I just finished reading John Pike's in-depth report about John Kerry again ["The Many Faces of Sen. John Kerry," Sept. 16-29, 2003]. As before, it was excellent! But have you noticed anything odd about Kerry? Look at the picture of him on p. 31 of that issue. Cover the right half of his face with a piece of paper and then take a look at the left side. Now cover the left half of his face with the paper and notice the right side. I think it honestly can be said that this man is two-faced.

I know we all have basic differences between the right and left sides of our faces, but I think it's a little odd that one side of Kerry's face is "happy," while the other is not exactly sad, but serious.

Just thought I'd offer an observation. And thanks for all that Insight does to get the facts out there.

Judith Moore
Strasburg, Va.


 


 

 

 

 


 

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Kerry out-of-sync with mainstream America

By Carol Devine-Molin
web posted February 9, 2004

Presidential politics have always been rough and tumble, but this election year is gearing up to be worse than usual given the vitriol that abounds in both partisan camps. Senator John Kerry is apparently poised to become the Democratic presidential nominee as he continues to rack up those victories in his party's primaries and caucuses. However, what do we really know about him? Increasingly negative press has been hurled Kerry's way, with some conservative pundits readily dubbing him botox boy, and others even less delicately describing him as a gigolo and gold-digger who replaced one fabulously rich wife with another to ensure his ongoing meal ticket in life. As to the former, Kerry has every right to improve his rather craggy facial appearance in today's superficial world of media and politics, and as to the latter, Kerry is a New England Brahmin, albeit a less-wealthy one, who was always part of the upper-crust and naturally socialized with heiresses. This all makes for interesting gossip, but it's media prattle that's basically irrelevant to Kerry's presidential bid and will have little impact on the all-important independent voters.

That begs the question, what's really pertinent to evaluating Kerry as candidate for this nation's highest office? Certainly, it's necessary to examine his voting record in the Senate, and the manner in which he's conducted himself in public life over the course of years. Moreover, it may boil down to the answer to one vital question in these crisis times: Can we depend upon John Kerry to properly protect this nation during this war on terror? In light of his overall background, the answer is clearly no. And I believe that the majority of swing voters will come to the same conclusion once all is aired for their consideration. That said, the GOP plans to exploit Kerry's voting history and background to the fullest extent with myriad documentation at their disposal.

Essentially, Kerry is a Leftist who has exhibited a pattern of anti-defense and anti-intelligence votes in the Senate, despite his rhetorical attempts to be on all sides of issues. In large measure America's national security is predicated upon our well-trained and high-tech equipped Armed Forces and intelligence services, which require sufficient funding and congressional support. Unfortunately, it would be fair to say that Kerry's political leanings are not conducive to our national security interests, and Kerry's overall character is questionable. He was part of the pro-Hanoi Jane Fonda crowd of the early 1970's, which viciously maligned American soldiers during the Vietnam era. Simply put, when Kerry spoke before the Senate after his Vietnam experience, he not only trashed the military as an institution, but the soldiers who put their lives on the line. Many who have served in the military, and their families as well, perceive Kerry's public disparagement of our troops as unforgivable acts bordering on treason. Veterans groups against Kerry are reportedly sprouting up all over the nation in response to his presidential bid, calling him Hanoi John.

Kerry, seen in this 1960s photo, receives a military decoration during the Vietnam War
Kerry, seen in this 1960s photo, receives a military decoration during the Vietnam War

In fact, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry has announced a national coalition with Vietnamese-Americans for Human Rights in Vietnam and Vietnamese-Americans Against John Kerry. Their recent press release indicated, "We represent hundreds of thousand of American veterans who do not want to see John Kerry anywhere near the Oval Office, said Ted Sampley, founder of V.V.A.J.K, and a U.S. Army Green Beret and veteran of two combat tours in Vietnam". Dan Tran, speaking as a member of Vietnamese-Americans Against John Kerry, espoused: "On behalf of tens of thousands of Vietnamese-Americans, we are determined to demonstrate against Senator Kerry all across this nation…John Kerry aided and abetted the communist government in Hanoi and has hindered any human rights progress in Vietnam". The Coalition plans nationwide demonstrations against John Kerry beginning with the New York and Massachusetts primaries. Interestingly, at the website of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, it avers that Kerry received his Silver Star for administering a coup de grace to a wounded Viet Cong. If that's accurate, then a formal investigation into this incident is definitely warranted.

In a recent Washington Times piece, reporter Joseph Curl noted that during "a speech at the winter meeting of the Republican National Committee, Mr. Mehlman (Bush campaign manager) laid out how Mr. Kerry's own voting record has compromised U.S. security. Even after the first World Trade Center bombing, Senator Kerry voted to gut intelligence spending by $1.5 billion for the five years prior to 2001. In 1996, he voted to slash defense spending by $6.5 billion. Both bills were so reckless that neither had any co-sponsors willing to endorse his plans." Another top Republican appalled by Kerry's egregious behaviors stated: "He (Kerry) not only has never tried to help our intelligence community or our Armed Forces, he has vehemently fought us every step of the way when we try to protect the American people from threats. He is the last one who should ever criticize this president."

Everybody for liberal extremism raise your hand
Everybody for liberal extremism raise your hand

According to an informative two-part series on Senator Kerry by John Pike of Insight magazine, it stated that: "Often he (Kerry) is ambivalent or obfuscates to try to satisfy those on both sides of antithetical issues. Many editorial writers and commentators have dismissed him as a transparent self-promoter, a phony and an opportunist". Senator Kerry, who ostensibly supports environmental causes and alternative energy resources, is waffling on a proposal for windmills (to generate electricity) near Nantucket Island – Why? Because the super-rich residents can't tolerate any obstruction of their view. That's blatant hypocrisy on the part of these Massachusetts liberals including Kerry. And Pike further related that, "The rating services of both the Left and the Right report that he (Kerry) votes with Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts about 96% of the time in support of a strong tax-raising and government-knows-best platform". Americans, by and large, are not going to react well to all that's being unearthed about Senator Kerry simply because we're a Center-Right nation, not a Far-Left nation. The liberals, who have never been pro-military, are foolish to think their war hero Kerry will trump Bush -- The truth is that Kerry is not going to be warmly received outside the realm of Left-leaning Democrats. I would venture to say that most of the South and the West will be decidedly turned-off by this haughty New England Leftist.

Moreover, John Pike of Insight magazine cited Kerry's amazing testimony before the Senate as an anti-war activist: "Kerry's first national media attention and the first in which the epithet 'phony' was directed against him came on April 22, 1971, when he testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations as part of a carefully orchestrated buildup to an antiwar protest in Washington…Kerry slipped away from the manuscript to add rhetorical bombs of his own design, saying he had heard U.S. soldiers relate how they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravages of war. Kerry also was quoted during this period as saying war crimes in Vietnam are the rule, not the exception. He spoke on television of crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." In essence, Kerry was accusing his fellow GIs of systemic war crimes.

I'm of the opinion that Kerry's comments as anti-war activist were: a) substantially hogwash, b) notably biased against members of the military, c) very damaging for anyone aspiring to be President and Commander-in-Chief, and, d) unworthy of any American, as the clear intent was to comprehensively besmirch the Armed Forces and its members. Kerry might try to chalk up his remarks to youthful indiscretion. However, the fact that Kerry has consistently voted in the Senate to eviscerate military and intelligence spending only reinforces the notion that his radical views persist and are not in step with mainstream America, which is especially troubling since our nation is currently under siege. Make no mistake; Kerry's overarching political philosophy has changed little throughout the years. He's a Massachusetts Leftist who appears to be even more extreme than Ted Kennedy.

Carol Devine-Molin is a regular contributor to several online magazines.
 

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1. Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. 9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: 10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
I have no quarrel with Kerry or Mizz Hillary if they want to be president. I think that comes under our unalienable rights. But why would YOU want them to be president? That comes under something else. We can consider their qualifications and when we find them wanting, there is no obligation to cast a vote in their favor. And if you do, perhaps it is yourself that you need to examine. What are you expecting from someone who cannot lead?

Leaders have convictions which they will honor above who is following. They will not compromise their conviction to get someone to follow. George Washington was such a leader, Abraham lincoln was such a leader and Ronald Reagan was such a leader. The list is long enough to fill the whole issue of Insight.

Leaders have been known to make mistakes and perhaps George W. Bush has made a mistake in trying to lead some liberals to common sense but he has stuck with his convictions when he came to the breaking point. That is the important point.

If these liberal candidates represent your interest then you don't represent my interest which is to make an honest living with the resources I have under my control without having to get the permission of some central authority that knows nothing about my business and couldn't care less. In timber harvesting in Louisiana and elsewhere we have what is called Best Management Practices which does have some excellent points worthy of consideration. That is not the point. The point is that what they interpret as best management practices may not be MY best management because I may have something different in mind than they have. What it amounts to is that some government authority has usurped my right of ownership.

This situation is being repeated in all phases of our lives by our government. Some of these candidates, Kerry and Hillary included, are in favor of the government running my business, I am not. Do you favor the government running your business? If not why vote for those who do?

My point here is not to berate these candidates. Let them say what they will. It is you, my reader, that I am concerned about. Are you going to chose poverty -- from poor thinking thinking poor -- or are you going to choose prosperity with its personal sweat and risk? Do you want a government that cannot create a nickel's worth of wealth to take care of you with the income it can make? You understand that the government cannot make the money to take care of you so if it takes care of everyone we will all have nothing which is the only thing the government can produce.

Our government is to provide the order that allows us to prosper but it can not make us prosper. That we must do on own management. That is why all Social governments must come to poverty. You don't step of the top of a building because of the law of gravity. But you will step off the edge of prosperity reaching for the promise of the gold at the end of the rainbow. That law is just like the law of gravity, you better have something solid under your feet when you make that next step.

BC

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The Many Faces of John Kerry (Part 2)
Author : jmack42432 Date : 9/9/03
Is Kerry a Muskie reincarnated?

 

January 25, 2004

IS THERE ANY PART OF HIMSELF THAT CABANA BOY HASN'T SOLD?:

The Many Faces Of Sen. John Kerry: John Kerry decided three decades ago that the path to political stardom was to be all things to all people - which included tailoring his stance on issues depending on his audience. Now that he wants to be president, can we trust him to tell us where he really stands? (John Pike, Sept 16, 2003, Insight on the News)
 

Kerry's first national media attention and the first in which the epithet "phony" was directed against him came on April 22, 1971, when he testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations as part of a carefully orchestrated buildup to an antiwar protest in Washington. The object was publicity, and a nationwide storm developed around this tall young man still in his 20s. He spoke as a member of an antiwar group called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), some of whom felt kinship with Communist China's Chairman Mao. Testifying eloquently against the war and U.S. bombings using a speech prepared with the help of a Bobby Kennedy speechwriter, Kerry slipped away from the manuscript to add rhetorical bombs of his own design, saying he had heard U.S. soldiers relate how they had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war." Kerry also was quoted during this period as saying, "War crimes in Vietnam are the rule, not the exception." He spoke on television of "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

Many veterans were outraged at these charges of American war crimes, which he later acknowledged he personally never saw, and which it developed had been spun out of the mouths of young Maoists. Michael Bernique, who served with Kerry as a swift-boat skipper, reportedly said, "I think there was a point in time when John was making it up fast and quick. I think he was saying whatever he needed to say."

War veteran John O'Neill, who publicly debated Kerry at this time, has been reported as saying Kerry's statements about war crimes were irresponsible, wrong, immoral and a "disservice to all the people that were there. ... The war didn't change [Kerry]. I think he was a guy driven tremendously by ambition. I think he was that way before he went and is that way today." [...]

John Forbes Kerry no longer trumpets the fact that his initials are JFK, and he has expunged his middle initial from his bumper stickers. Political operatives in the Bay State say this is because it is believed his close association with the Kennedys and Massachusetts liberalism might hurt his presidential candidacy, especially in the South. When it is remembered that he was Democratic presidential-nominee Michael Dukakis' lieutenant governor, Kerry campaigners note that the two were elected on separate ballots.

There are other image problems that still have not been handled. The week that included Kerry's appearance before Congress included another incident that produced an embarrassment that took years to be exposed. In a protest on April 23, 1971, Kerry led his shocked countrymen to believe that, weeping, he and his VVAW comrades had tossed their war medals onto the steps of the Capitol where a large sign nearby proclaimed: "Trash." It stirred the emotions for those on both sides of the conflict and again spurred media attention for Kerry. But then in 1984 a reporter noticed that Kerry's medals were displayed on the wall of his office and the Wall Street Journal reported that, when confronted, Kerry claimed he actually tossed away his combat ribbons, not his medals. Kerry says he threw someone else's medals. Whatever the truth, he had let the fabrication continue for years. [...]

Columnist Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe also wonders whether Kerry tries to be all things to all people. Jacoby reports that, when in the early 1990s a constituent wrote Kerry expressing support for an invasion of Iraq, Kerry's office responded by sending two letters one saying he opposed the war and another supporting President George H.W. Bush's response. Kerry blamed it on computer problems and the failure to dispatch a third letter one opposing the war but supporting the troops.

With antiwar candidate Dean moving ahead in New Hampshire and Iowa, Kerry continued to try to present himself as both for the war and against it, say Democratic political consultants in the Bay State. Now, they say, he may be writing off those states in favor of a last-ditch stand in the South as a national-security veteran.

An experienced Kerry watcher reminds that in 1984, when he first was trying to win election to the Senate, his chief rival in the tough Democratic primary was U.S. Rep. James M. Shannon. Kerry had been outscored by Shannon, 100-94, on the endorsement questionnaire of a group opposed to America's then-growing military. In Massachusetts, the antiwar vote was and is significant, and the two liberals were vying for their vote. A member of the group favoring a reduction in funds earmarked to build key weapons systems contacted a Kerry lieutenant and advised that Kerry change his answers on the questionnaire so that both candidates would have an equal score. Kerry changed his answers, both got a perfect score and the maneuver kept Shannon from receiving the important endorsement of the group.

In seeking approval of this disarmament group, Kerry formally expressed approval of canceling a host of the very weapons systems that helped defeat Iraq so quickly, including the B-1 and B-2 stealth bombers, the AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile system, the F-15, F-14A and F-14D jets, the AV-8B Harrier jet, the Aegis air-defense cruiser and the Trident missile system. Kerry says of this 1984 campaign posture, "I'm sure that some of it was driven at the time by the nature of the beast I was fighting politically." [...]

Heard of Watergate? Get ready for Lowellgate.

On Sept. 18, 1972, the evening before the primary election during his second attempt for Congress, Kerry's brother Cameron and one Thomas Vallely, both part of his current campaign team, were arrested by Lowell police at 1:40 a.m. and charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny. The two were apprehended in the basement of a building whose door had been forced open, police said. It housed the headquarters of candidate DiFruscia. The Watergate scandal was making headlines at this time, and it was called the Lowell Watergate.

"They wanted to sever my telephone lines," DiFruscia said recently. Had those lines been cut, Kerry's opponent would not have been able to telephone supporters on Election Day to get out the vote and coordinate poll watchers, vital roles in a close election. "I do not know if they wanted to break into my office," says DiFruscia today. At the time he said, "All my IBM cards and the list of my voter identification in the greater Lowell area are in my headquarters."

Cameron and Vallely, along with David Thorne, who was Kerry's campaign manager at the time and has been close to him since they attended Yale together, did not deny the two entered the building in which they were captured. They said at the time they were in the cellar of the building to check their own telephone lines because they had received an anonymous call warning they would be cut.

This reporter heard an allegation that another congressional candidate placed the alleged anonymous call, which was denied. But if the Kerry campaign was concerned about someone breaking and entering to cut off its telephone service, why didn't they just call the police? Why break the law? And what does any of this say about Kerry's mind-set? Kerry campaign officials did not answer important Lowellgate questions.

The case was transferred to superior court and continued without a finding, where it was dismissed about a year later. But since it happened at the last minute, and Kerry won the primary but went on to lose the general election, this ugly business did not receive intense media scrutiny. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were busy investigating another break-in.


The lesson that FDR, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Clinton all teach is that if you spend your whole life plotting to become president you sell off too much of your soul along the way to be trustworthy--by the time you get there your moral capital has long since been spent. Senator Kerry fits their mold to a disquieting degree.


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Lifetime Liberal Rating (Americans for Democratic Action)
 

Description of the Lifetime Voting Record:

ADA releases an annual voting record based on 20 issues we consider to be the most important each year. Each Member of Congress receives 5 points for each vote on which he/she voted with us, and does not receive 5 points if he/she voted against us or was absent for the vote. The total possible score is 100%, a perfect Liberal Quotient.

Massachusetts:

Kennedy (D) 88
Kerry (D) 93


-What Becomes a President Most?: As Kerry's fortunes rise, primary voters say they are searching for electability. But their quest is not that simple (NANCY GIBBS, Feb. 02, 2004, TIME)
 

Kerry may be the one using the Real Deal as his slogan, but there's a sense that he's protesting too much. Herbert Hoover once said of Franklin Roosevelt that "he was a chameleon on plaid," and there has been something of that quality throughout Kerry's campaign. He has written poetry and wind-surfed and ridden a Harley. He has played both hockey and his guitar. It was meant to make him seem more human, change the scale, since he looms over the field like a tall dark cloud. For months nothing seemed to work. He still came across as a classic Massachusetts Yankee, easy to admire but hard to like. The consolation out of Iowa was that maybe it didn't matter if he wasn't all that likable if he's what voters think they need.


-Does Teresa Heinz Trust John Kerry?
If not, why should we?
(Timothy Noah, Dec. 2, 2003, Slate)
 

If Teresa Heinz won't trust presidential candidate John Kerry with her money, why should American voters trust Kerry with their country?

Teresa Heinz and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., were married in 1995. Kerry's assets at the time were a few million dollars. Heinz's assets at the time were reportedly around half a billion dollars, which she'd inherited from her late husband, Sen. John Heinz, R-Pa., heir to the ketchup fortune. Unlike many other married couples, Heinz and Kerry kept their premarital assets separate. Much of Teresa Heinz's inheritance was no doubt tied up in trusts, but a substantial sum must have been unencumbered, because she had Sen. Kerry sign a prenuptial agreement. "Everybody has a prenup," Heinz explained to Lisa DiPaulo, who profiled her sympathetically in Elle.


-Ahead in N.H., Kerry Defends Record Against G.O.P. Attacks (CHRISTINE HAUSER, 1/25/04, NY Times) Posted by Orrin Judd at January 25, 2004 05:34 PM
 

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GW came kinda close, and based on the circumstances, it's difficult to imagine someone better suited for his position during the times we live in. Having made that statement, I make it with a built-in cynical filter, as my expectations have been watered down.

I must admit, I like the whole Kerry persona, at first glance. Wouldn't it be nice if that initial persona was congruent with the candidate, tall, leading, strong, subtle, and right with all the issues, but not just right, but eloquent in discussing them, a la in the fashion of a William Bennett or Bill Cristal.

But we never get that, we get dweebs, liars, power mongers and guys that just don't strike as intelligent. This write-up on Kerry is almost predictable, the article stating the General was fired for lying, predictable, Dean went crazy in Iowa, well, he certainly confirmed our suspicions, Lieberman is just a dweeb, he moved to NH, boy he really must want to be President.

Edwards is not eloquent as much as he is oratorical, but let's face it again, as much as JFK or MLK represent a certain mixed aura now, couldn't you at least say their speeches were substantial and fun to watch?

What is Kerry actually saying that is trailblazing, which goes back to the first point, at least GW is talking about forward thinking ideas like privatizing social security and private school vouchers.

Posted by: neil at January 25, 2004 09:28 PM

That ADA rating should be a killer - the GOP can simply point to it and say the Dems consider Kerry more liberal than Ted Kennedy, who is the king of the liberals.

Posted by: AWW at January 25, 2004 11:00 PM

All you Kerry fans might appreciate a couple of 1971 Trudeau cartoons here and here. (via a posting on Roger L Simon's site).

Posted by: Peter B at January 26, 2004 06:26 AM

Sorry, same link. Just click on "next" to see the second.

Posted by: Peter B at January 26, 2004 06:29 AM

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John Kerry's Watergate
Insight on the News ^ | Sept 16, 2003 | John Pike
 

Posted on 01/25/2004 1:19:08 PM PST by Hon
 

Heard of Watergate? Get ready for Lowellgate.

On Sept. 18, 1972, the evening before the primary election during his second attempt for Congress, Kerry's brother Cameron and one Thomas Vallely, both part of his current campaign team, were arrested by Lowell police at 1:40 a.m. and charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny. The two were apprehended in the basement of a building whose door had been forced open, police said. It housed the headquarters of candidate DiFruscia. The Watergate scandal was making headlines at this time, and it was called the Lowell Watergate.

"They wanted to sever my telephone lines," DiFruscia said recently. Had those lines been cut, Kerry's opponent would not have been able to telephone supporters on Election Day to get out the vote and coordinate poll watchers, vital roles in a close election. "I do not know if they wanted to break into my office," says DiFruscia today. At the time he said, "All my IBM cards and the list of my voter identification in the greater Lowell area are in my headquarters."

Cameron and Vallely, along with David Thorne, who was Kerry's campaign manager at the time and has been close to him since they attended Yale together, did not deny the two entered the building in which they were captured. They said at the time they were in the cellar of the building to check their own telephone lines because they had received an anonymous call warning they would be cut.

This reporter heard an allegation that another congressional candidate placed the alleged anonymous call, which was denied. But if the Kerry campaign was concerned about someone breaking and entering to cut off its telephone service, why didn't they just call the police? Why break the law? And what does any of this say about Kerry's mind-set? Kerry campaign officials did not answer important Lowellgate questions.

The case was transferred to superior court and continued without a finding, where it was dismissed about a year later. But since it happened at the last minute, and Kerry won the primary but went on to lose the general election, this ugly business did not receive intense media scrutiny. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were busy investigating another break-in.
 


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 1972; 2004; JOHNPIKE; KERRY; SCANDAL


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John Kerry: Candidate in the Making

 

 

Note: The caption in the cartoon reads: "You say the Fifth in Massachusetts? I'll be right up."

 

 

 


 

1 posted on 01/25/2004 1:19:08 PM PST by Hon

To: All
To win the primary, the newcomer overcame the election eve arrest of his brother, Cameron, and campaign field director Thomas J. Vallely, both then 22, in the basement of a Lowell building that housed the headquarters of Kerry and another Democratic contender, state Representative Anthony R. DiFruscia of Lawrence. It was almost 2 a.m. - 30 hours before the polls opened - when the two were arrested on charges of breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny.

That day's Sun blared a memorable, double-deck headline: "Kerry brother arrested in Lowell `Watergate."' DiFruscia, getting some extra ink in the campaign's waning hours, had drawn the parallel to the break-in at Democratic headquarters in Washington three months earlier.

The Kerry camp declared it a setup, saying that the two responded to an anonymous phone call, minutes earlier, threatening to cut the campaign's 36 phone lines on the day before its get-out-the-vote effort. Lowell Police arrested the pair in an area near the trunk line for all of the building's phones.

To this day Kerry becomes animated talking about the episode, convinced it was part of a conspiracy against his insurgency. He said he does not know who was involved. He dismissed as ridiculous the charge that DiFruscia was a target. "He didn't figure in the race," said Kerry.

But some of Kerry's claims in the Lowell break-in are wildly at odds with the facts.

"That headline was held open. That page was held open, according to [Sun] typesetters, at 1 o'clock in the morning," Kerry said. "That doesn't happen at a newspaper, you know that. And that headline was out there on the streets the next morning, first thing."

The Sun, however, was an afternoon paper, and its first deadline was hours after the arrests, in plenty of time to write the story for that day's editions. The Eagle-Tribune of Lawrence also reported the arrests that day, in a smaller story under the headline "Shades of Watergate?"

Kerry's brother today declines to elaborate on the circumstances surrounding the arrests and the charges, which were dropped a year later.

"It was an impulsive, rash thing that we did and that John Kerry ended up having to deal with," said Cam Kerry, now a partner at the Boston law firm of Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Glovsky and Popeo. "That's all we're going to say on that one."

Vallely, a former Marine who served in Vietnam and later became a state representative in Boston, had more to say.

"I kicked in the door," he said, and then, police swarmed the area. Vallely said DiFruscia's office was of no interest; the Kerry phone lines were. In hindsight, he said, "We probably were overreacting to someone who was joking."

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061803.shtml
 
2 posted on 01/25/2004 1:21:53 PM PST by Hon

To: Hon
Thanks for the post. Interesting.
 
3 posted on 01/25/2004 1:22:06 PM PST by Cautor

To: Mo1; Miss Marple; Peach; prairiebreeze; cyncooper; Howlin
This is how Chris Lehane works his black magic...
 
4 posted on 01/25/2004 1:26:19 PM PST by Dog ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our Country")

To: All
Kerry has just been smacked by Chris Lehane.
 
5 posted on 01/25/2004 1:28:49 PM PST by Dog ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our Country")

To: Hon
Interesting...
 
6 posted on 01/25/2004 1:28:55 PM PST by Bogey78O (Why are we even having this debate?)

To: Hon
I'm hoping that Howie Carr knows some interesting tidbits about our horse-faced Senator. I know Howie thought it pretty funny that Kerry keeps talking about "special interests". I guess he's the King of "special interests". Howie, if you're a lurker, which I'm pretty certain you are, start spilling the beans on John Forbes Kerry.
 
7 posted on 01/25/2004 1:29:39 PM PST by surrey

To: Bogey78O; Howlin
Beats the evening deadline so it can get in tomorrow mornings newspaper and will be repeated all day on the cable networks. Watch Drudge feature this later .....might even rate a siren and light.
 
8 posted on 01/25/2004 1:31:28 PM PST by Dog ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our Country")

To: Dog
Vallely on Ketchup Boy. From this link a quote:

“John needs a kind of tension to be at his best,” the article quoted Thomas Vallely, a Vietnam vet and close friend of Kerry. “Part of him needs the high-wire act.”

This from Ketchup Boy's friend and advisor...
 

9 posted on 01/25/2004 1:33:08 PM PST by mewzilla

To: Dog
Kerry has just been smacked by Chris Lehane

Lehane: the king of political porn strikes again, this time hitting the French-looking candidate who believes we need a permission slip from the UN before we can protect our national security.
 

10 posted on 01/25/2004 1:36:09 PM PST by Cautor

To: Dog
Well we need to slow him down so Dean can catch up.

Heaven help us if they latch on to Edwards. EH's really their best chance of beating Bush.
 
11 posted on 01/25/2004 1:37:55 PM PST by Bogey78O (Why are we even having this debate?)

To: All
Given that Anthony R. DiFruscia is now a state Representative in New Hampshire, you would think this might make some news in the New Hampshire primaries.

http://www.republicanstatehouses.com/profile.asp?ID=4385

But the media is too busy trying to figure who is ahead.
 
12 posted on 01/25/2004 1:38:42 PM PST by Hon

To: Dog
LOL .. with pictures of the paper too !
 
13 posted on 01/25/2004 1:39:14 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: Cautor
I was wondering when he would strike. Cutting it a little close with this one.....wonder what major media outlet picks this up first. I know Lehane shopped this to several outlets so when this breaks ....it will overwhelm the Kerry camp.

That is the Lehane MO.....and how he almost did Bush in with the DUI charge..
 

14 posted on 01/25/2004 1:39:50 PM PST by Dog ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our Country")

To: Hon
bump for later read
 
15 posted on 01/25/2004 1:40:01 PM PST by I_be_tc

To: Mo1
I love politics..
 
16 posted on 01/25/2004 1:40:40 PM PST by Dog ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our Country")

To: Hon
Click here for both parts of John Pike's article The Many Faces of John Kerry.
 
17 posted on 01/25/2004 1:40:45 PM PST by mewzilla

To: Dog
Is Mary Beth Cahill still Ketchup Boy's campaign manager? If so, with her around, who needs to worry about Lehane?
 
18 posted on 01/25/2004 1:41:48 PM PST by mewzilla

To: mewzilla
Hey mew did Lehane call you....LOL!
 
19 posted on 01/25/2004 1:42:09 PM PST by Dog ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our Country")

To: Dog
In his dreams :)
 
20 posted on 01/25/2004 1:43:06 PM PST by mewzilla

To: Dog
LOL .. so do I

And Dang I have to go to my laws now, could ya ping me to anything good you see?
 
21 posted on 01/25/2004 1:43:22 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: Dog
I love politics too, but this year is going to be a doozy, if I survive..LOL
 
22 posted on 01/25/2004 1:43:55 PM PST by mystery-ak (Almighty God, Embrace with Your invincible armour our loved ones in all branches of the service.)

To: Mo1
Will do...
 
23 posted on 01/25/2004 1:44:04 PM PST by Dog ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our Country")

To: Hon
What is the tagline under the cartoon?
 
24 posted on 01/25/2004 1:44:39 PM PST by expatpat

To: Dog
Cutting it a little close with this one

I agree. But just a few short days ago, Kerry didn't look like he needed whacking because his campaign was tanking in NH and elsewhere. Ketchup boy came on fast and furious.
 

25 posted on 01/25/2004 1:45:28 PM PST by Cautor

To: expatpat
It's above it:

Note: The caption in the cartoon reads: "You say the Fifth in Massachusetts? I'll be right up."

This is a reference to how Kerry shopped around for a Congressional District to run in. That's a scandal in itself.
 
26 posted on 01/25/2004 1:47:23 PM PST by Hon

To: All
"But some of Kerry's claims in the Lowell break-in are wildly at odds with the facts."

And this is from the Boston Globe!
 
27 posted on 01/25/2004 1:54:23 PM PST by Hon

To: Bogey78O
Heaven help us if they latch on to Edwards. EH's really their best chance of beating Bush. Hubby and I have been saying this for at least a week.
 
28 posted on 01/25/2004 2:02:28 PM PST by annyokie (Wesley Clark: Howard Dean with medals!)

To: annyokie
Yea, he'll swing enough votes in the South to maybe capture one or two states and he's guaranteed the liberal states who are voting ABB- anyone but Bush.

Kerry has that same inocuous appela but not enough to capture swing states.
 
29 posted on 01/25/2004 2:24:48 PM PST by Bogey78O (Why are we even having this debate?)

To: Dog
Earlier today Walter Shapiro was being interviewed on Fox and he said that there could still be "surprises" which might affect the race. I said then (on the Sunday Talk Show thread) that I thought that Shapiro had caught wind of something Lehane was floating.

Ta-da!!!
 

30 posted on 01/25/2004 2:36:16 PM PST by Miss Marple

To: Hon; Salvation
The sad part about this article is that everyone (including Republicans) expect the democRATs (i.e. the Longs', Kennedys', Daleys', etc.) to commit voter fraud (i.e dead people voting, felons, etc.), electioneering, B&E, wiretapping, walk-around money, larceny, strong arm tactics, foreign contributions, etc., etc.

Nothing new here, time to moveon.org (AA).

(AA=anti-American A$$holes) Kinda like the ACLU.

5.56mm
 

31 posted on 01/25/2004 2:51:13 PM PST by M Kehoe

To: Miss Marple
I saw that and I wondered why Shapiro would use the word "surprise" in the way he did
 
32 posted on 01/25/2004 3:03:15 PM PST by MJY1288 (WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS, LIBERALS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY !)

To: Hon
Wonder what Breakins are happening as we read this. He is a constant Protester, and Side Line Quarterback. I liked reading that Teresa Heinz is still a Loyal Registered Republican and has never voted for him! Thats bankable.
 
33 posted on 01/25/2004 3:33:54 PM PST by Seamonster

To: Dog
"Kerry has just been smacked by Chris Lehane."

I have no idea what you or Miss Marple are trying to suggest with these remarks.

I found this material myself via Google. Anybody could do it. (In fact, more people should be doing it.)
 
34 posted on 01/25/2004 3:41:17 PM PST by Hon

To: Miss Marple
"Earlier today Walter Shapiro was being interviewed on Fox and he said that there could still be "surprises" which might affect the race. I said then (on the Sunday Talk Show thread) that I thought that Shapiro had caught wind of something Lehane was floating.

Ta-da!!!"

Again, this post is not the handy work of any backroom politicking and it is laughable that you and others are suggesting this. Do you think it makes you sound worldly?

If more people would just use their browsers and maybe spend a little less time chatting, you'd be amazed what you can find. (This is not directed at you, personally.)

It is also counter-productive to try to suggest that this is just opposition research. That cheapens my and other people's efforts.
 
35 posted on 01/25/2004 3:45:39 PM PST by Hon

To: Dog; Mo1; Miss Marple; Peach; prairiebreeze; cyncooper; Howlin; Cautor
I don't think this is Lehane. Look at the dates on those articles; they're from last year, when Lehane still worked for Kerry.

It's too late now for any Lehane puke politics to have much of an effect on Tuesday's voting. My guess is that Clark has, with good reason, written off NH to focus more on other states, and Lehane is thus holding back in case he needs to drop this bomb later on.
 

36 posted on 01/25/2004 3:46:21 PM PST by Timesink (Two fonts walk into a bar. The bartender says, "We don't serve your type here.")

To: Timesink; Dog
Good catch on the date. The ONLY bomb anyone would need to drop on Clark would be today's transcript of the Stepanapolous show.

He pulled a Clinton with the word "the". I checked the ABC website and in order to get a transcript I'd have to fork over $19.95 and knowing ABC, they've probably expunded the portion I'll repeat here.

George asked Clark why he supported "the Iraq resolution for war last year but is opposed to it now."

Clark responded "that depends on the meaning of the word 'the'."!!! No joke. We didn't hear the follow up to that sentence because we were literally roaring with laughter and a mixture of disgust and anger.

What's with a candidate that he would parse the word "the"; way to Clintonian for my tastes.
 
37 posted on 01/25/2004 3:49:21 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)

To: Hon
But if the Kerry campaign was concerned about someone breaking and entering to cut off its telephone service, why didn't they just call the police?

Best reason in the world: the police were not fond of the protest movement and no competent political operative would have given them any entry whatever into the Kerry campaign.

If this 'issue' isn't DOA, it'll only serve to make those who promote it look like partisan idiots.
 

38 posted on 01/25/2004 3:51:05 PM PST by Grut

To: Dog
So who bankrolled Kerry in his first run for Congress.
Who wanted him to win and run so badly, and what did they get in return?
Big Dig connection?
 
39 posted on 01/25/2004 3:51:25 PM PST by mabelkitty

To: All
Turn on C-SPAN....NOW !
 
40 posted on 01/25/2004 3:55:39 PM PST by Neenah

To: Hon
In light of the article, I thought it was a reference "to the Fifth".
 
41 posted on 01/25/2004 3:58:04 PM PST by mabelkitty

To: mabelkitty
"So who bankrolled Kerry in his first run for Congress."

This was actually not Kerry's first foray into politics. He had tested the waters before--as a Vietnam hero. But when that proved to be unpopular, he ran again later as a war protester.

But it is an interesting question, given that Kerry's campaigns were always record-setters for being the most expensive to date. This has been true at every level he has run.
 
42 posted on 01/25/2004 3:58:14 PM PST by Hon

To: Peach
Stunning.
Clark's done.

Does anybody know when this and his dereliction of duty in regards to NATO will make big news?
 
43 posted on 01/25/2004 4:02:09 PM PST by mabelkitty

To: Hon

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), left, gestures under a bust of Ho Chi Minh, during a Nov. 1994 meeting in Hanoi with Do Muoi, general secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam. In 1955, as a leader in the communist land reform movement, Muoi helped annihilate Vietnam's middle-class landowners. Over 50,000 Vietnamese landowners were murdered that year, making it one of the bloodiest periods in Vietnam's history.
 
44 posted on 01/25/2004 4:04:18 PM PST by kcvl

To: Hon
Hence, my question - who was desperately trying to get Kerry into Congress and footing all the bills.
 
45 posted on 01/25/2004 4:05:40 PM PST by mabelkitty

To: mewzilla
“John needs a kind of tension to be at his best,” the article quoted Thomas Vallely, a Vietnam vet and close friend of Kerry. “Part of him needs the high-wire act.”

Very understandable. Kerry was a SEAL. Knowing many a Special Ops guy, I truly believe some acquire an strong addiction to adrenalin.
 

46 posted on 01/25/2004 4:07:02 PM PST by XHogPilot

To: Neenah
What's going on?
 
47 posted on 01/25/2004 4:07:44 PM PST by mabelkitty

To: mewzilla
Senate connection to Riady/Lippo Group.


An indication of just how deep and subtle Red Chinese roots run in U.S. business and government affairs deals with Sen. John Sidney McCain (R-AZ) and Sen. John Forbes Kerry (D-MA). Both McCain and Kerry fought long and hard to provide the political cover Clinton needed when he made the controversial decision to normalize trade and diplomatic relations with Vietnam.

McCain's current wife, Cindy, is the daughter of James Hensley, who is the second largest Anheuser-Busch distributor in the United States. Sen. McCain is an officer in Hensley & Co. and Cindy is a vice president. The McCain family owns several million dollars in Anheuser-Busch stock.

As a part of an aggressive campaign to enhance its international standing in the beer market, Anheuser-Busch has been signing contracts and investing hundreds of millions building brewery operations in China and Vietnam. It remains unclear whether any of those contracts involve Lippo.

Documents retrieved from the Internet reveal that Riady's Lippo is the holder of a license for Sea World in Indonesia and that Anheuser-Busch owns all the Sea World themeparks in the United States as well as some overseas. Again, this begs the question, is there a connection between Anheuser-Busch and Lippo?

McCain has requested the Justice Department appoint an independent council to investigate Huang and the Lippo group for the contributions violations. Rep. Gerald Solomon (R-NY) has asked for investigators to focus on assertions made by James Riady, that Huang was "my man in the American government."

A member of Sen. Kerry's family, specifically his cousin, C. Stewart Forbes, is Chief Executive Officer of the Boston, Massachusetts-based Colliers International, one of the largest real estate federations in the world.

In Dec. 1992, Vietnam granted Colliers a contract designating Colliers the "exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam." Colliers has since written contracts in Vietnam worth billions, upgrading Vietnam's ports, railroads, highways and government buildings.

Colliers is involved with Lippo in multimillion contracts in Indonesia. Kerry, who has a blind trust run by members of his family, claims he knows nothing about his cousin's business deals or affiliations.


http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:5Tyc-5o_i7cJ:ojc.org/powforum/editor/lippo2.htm+Senate+connection+to+Riady/Lippo+Group.&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
 
48 posted on 01/25/2004 4:07:54 PM PST by kcvl

To: kcvl
How much has the Heinz empire increased in revenue since they've started distributing their products in Vietnam?
 
49 posted on 01/25/2004 4:09:53 PM PST by mabelkitty

To: mabelkitty
Sunday, December 14, 2003

Post-war rebel

After requesting a discharge so that he could run for Congress -- from Massachusetts in 1970 -- Kerry dropped out of that race when he found that he was destined to be a loser.

Then, Kerry found a new cause that already had been active for three years, and which he today claims as his own. This former naval officer abandoned his oath of office, joined up with the hard-communist left and now claims to have founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or (VVAW). He did attend their conference in February 1971 with Jane Fonda -- Hanoi Jane, their most successful promoter and fund-raiser.

The VVAW made its debut in 1967, in New York City at an anti-Vietnam war protest that was also planning the disruption of the 1968 Democratic Party National Convention in Chicago. By the spring of 1970, it numbered several hundred members and the organization had gone national.

All without John Kerry, who remained in Boston.

Kerry later arrived in Washington for an encampment to protest the war, and to provide evidence against his country on Capitol Hill, dressed in his fatigues. Much of the speech Kerry gave to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee painted his fellow GIs as brutal sadists.

He picked up on the testimony of one Marine Sgt. Scott Camil, who said the U.S. military had raped, cut off ears, heads and limbs and participated in many other atrocities. He said that he found the accounts of torture "shocking and irrefutable."

In the last week of April 1971, some 250,000 protesters were in Washington for massive protests against the draft and the war. They were preparing for their attack on the U.S.government on May 4, when they hoped to shut down the capital. Kerry was everywhere, now promoting the pro-communist People's Peace Treaty, drawn up in East Germany and developed by Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis. The treaty advocated the communist line to withdraw all U.S.troops from Vietnam and then negotiate with Hanoi for the release of our GIs who had been taken prisoner.

But Kerry lost his support base, even then, by playing both sides. He attacked the May Day rioters as criminals for the looting, tire-slashing and window-breaking.

Kerry turned himself from a nonentity into a national icon. Since then, he has married twice, and his partner today is Teresa Heinz Kerry, the widow of Pennsylvania's late Sen. John Heinz. Teresa, despite this marriage in 1995, is a very bright and accomplished woman who, notwithstanding her 65 years, would, without the encumbrance of her present husband, have had a remarkable career.

But it is John Kerry who has had a more than remarkable career.

As long ago as June 1971, a reporter for the Marxist Liberated Guardian described how Kerry was raising money from Wall Street's liberal elite, led by Edgar Bronfman, president of Seagram's Distillers, who gave $5,000 of 1971 money. The writer, a true Marxist, bemoaned that the donors had previously supported the Vietnam War, and wrote: "Most of these financiers of political movements are only interested in 'future access to the White House.' Does Kerry want to be in the White House someday? And if he were, how would he answer their calls?"

The Democrats of the left have waited 32 years to find out what makes John Kerry tick. Now, they are finding out the truth.


Dateline D.C. is written by a Washington-based British journalist and political observer.

 
50 posted on 01/25/2004 4:10:10 PM PST by kcvl

 


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To: mabelkitty
I don't know. But as you probably are aware, he was close to the Kennedys then, as he has been most of his life:


 

51 posted on 01/25/2004 4:12:58 PM PST by Hon

To: mabelkitty
Kerry spokeswoman Kelley Benander , confirmed that aides to Kerry, who hired Clinton White House opposition researcher Mike Gehrke last spring, have begun scouring the public backgrounds of Democrats on the White House campaign trail as well as President Bush. ‘We are certainly getting up to speed on the public records of all the candidates in the race, including our own,’ she said. ‘We also thoroughly scrub John Kerry's background to prepare him from attacks from George W. Bush and his right-wing allies.’









Kerry putting `mean Mike' to work; Anita Hill at play in Boston. (the insider).(various; John Kerry hires Mike Gehrke and Anita Hill dating playboy)
Insight on the News, Feb 18, 2003

Insiders expect Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) to run one of the meanest presidential campaigns in memory, having just hired Mike Gehrke, chief of "opposition research" at the Clinton White House, to dig up dirt on his opponents.









Research Director
Mike Gehrke


Worked at the DSCC, 2001-2003. Research Director in the Clinton White House, 1999 to Jan. 2001. Worked with AFL-CIO Political Department/Labor '98 program, 1997-99. Research Director for Citizen Action, 1995-97.





Campaign Manager
Jim Jordan




Spokesman for Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee during the 1998 impeachment hearings of President Clinton and for Democrats on the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee during the 1997 campaign finance investigation.



Deputy Campaign Manager
Marcus Jadotte




During the Clinton administration he worked in the Department of Labor in the Office of the Deputy Secretary and in Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs. In 1998 he served as political director on the MacKay-Dantzler campaign for governor of Florida. In 1996 he was a regional director on the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign in Florida.







Communications Director
David J. Morehouse



During the first term of the Clinton Administration, Morehouse served in a number of senior positions including Director of Strategic Planning in the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP).





Treasurer
Robert Farmer


Farmer gained fame as finance director for Michael Dukakis' 1988 presidential campaign. Earlier he raised money for John Anderson's independent campaign in 1980 and John Glenn's 1984 campaign. In 1992 raised money for Bill Clinton's campaign and he then gained the position of U.S. consul general to Bermuda.








Advance Director
Greg Hale


(started Aug. 2003) Prior to joining the campaign Hale was working at consulting in Little Rock. Worked on Clinton/Gore '96 and then in the White House. Graduate of the University of Arkansas. (source:AP)





Senior Strategist
Jill Alper






Coordinated Campaign Director at the DNC, 1994-96. Other campaign experience includes: Michigan State Director for Clinton/Gore in 1992;





State Director
Mario Diaz


Before joining the Kerry campaign, Diaz was a longtime aide to Janet Napolitano. He worked with Napolitano starting in 1993, when President Clinton appointed her U.S. attorney for Arizona.





State Director
Paul Rivera


(started March 2003) Has worked on the campaigns of Carl McCall (2002) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (2000), three Democratic Conventions and the 1996 and 2000 Presidential Elections.





David Wilhelm



Wilhelm is president of Wilhelm & Conlon Public Strategies, founded in 1998. He managed Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign, and subsequently served as the chair of the DNC





Angelique Pirozzi served as campaign manager of the Kerry Committee, Sen. Kerry's re-election campaign. Previously, she directed the Democrats' coordinated campaign in Wisconsin in Fall 2000, and she worked on the Clinton/Gore campaign in New Hampshire in 1996.





 
52 posted on 01/25/2004 4:14:28 PM PST by kcvl

To: XHogPilot
"Kerry was a SEAL."

Wrong Kerry.
 
53 posted on 01/25/2004 4:15:39 PM PST by Hon

To: Dog
"Kerry has just been smacked by Chris Lehane."
Even the devil does God's work at times.
 
54 posted on 01/25/2004 4:17:02 PM PST by ShandaLear (Howard Dean STILL isn't any safer!)

To: Hon

President Bill Clinton, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) congratulate each other at 1995 White House ceremony normalizing relations with Vietnam.
 
55 posted on 01/25/2004 4:18:27 PM PST by kcvl

To: Hon
In December of 1992, not long after Kerry was quoted in the world press stating "President Bush should reward Vietnam for its increased cooperation in accounting for American MIAs," Vietnam announced it had granted Boston, Massachusetts based Colliers International, a contract worth billions designating Colliers International as the exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam. That deal alone put Colliers in a position to make tens of millions of dollars (after the U.S. normalized trade relations) on the rush to upgrade Vietnam's ports, railroads, highways, government buildings, etc.

C. Stewart Forbes, Chief Executive Officer of Colliers International, is Kerry's cousin.
 

56 posted on 01/25/2004 4:20:18 PM PST by kcvl

To: Hon
Looks like Lehane may have dug a big hole in turn 2 of the Freakness. And Secrekerryat just hit it.
 
57 posted on 01/25/2004 4:20:58 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness

To: XHogPilot
Very understandable. Kerry was a SEAL. Knowing many a Special Ops guy, I truly believe some acquire an strong addiction to adrenalin.

Wrong Kerry. You're thinking of Senator Bob, late of Nebraska and currently of the Haaavahd school of government.

You remember his famous statement back about 1993: "Clinton's an unusually good liar".
 

58 posted on 01/25/2004 4:22:19 PM PST by Morgan's Raider

To: small voice in the wilderness
U.S. VETERAN DISPATCH


http://www.usvetdsp.com/main.shtml


Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry
 
59 posted on 01/25/2004 4:22:29 PM PST by kcvl

To: Timesink
June 1971, a reporter for the Marxist Liberated Guardian described how Kerry was raising money from Wall Street's liberal elite, led by Edgar Bronfman, president of Seagram's Distillers

Under Edgar Sr., Seagram expanded overseas and extended itself into real estate and oil.
 

60 posted on 01/25/2004 4:29:13 PM PST by kcvl

To: Mo1; Miss Marple; Howlin; Dog
Edgar Bronfman, president of Seagram's Distillers

John Kerry is Austrian Jew and not English Irish as he has claimed inthe past once saying he was "proud of his English Irishancestry".......in the past he has accepted money from Edgar Bronfman,who with Meyer Lansky - ran Murder Inc.
 

61 posted on 01/25/2004 4:33:52 PM PST by kcvl

Bronfman Family

Edgar M. Bronfman
Founder, Scandent Group

Edgar M. Bronfman is a member of the Board of Directors of Vivendi Universal.

Prior to the December 2000 formation of Vivendi Universal, Mr. Bronfman was Chairman of The Seagram Company Ltd. In 1951, Mr. Bronfman joined Distillers Corporation-Seagrams Limited (renamed The Seagram Company Ltd. in 1975), becoming president of the company in 1971 and Chairman in 1975. In 1994, Mr. Bronfman relinquished the position of Chief Executive Officer to his son, Edgar Bronfman, Jr.

Mr. Bronfman 's philanthropic and civic activities include serving as Chairman of The Samuel Bronfman Foundation. In 1999, President Clinton awarded Mr. Bronfman the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the United States' highest civilian honor. That same year, Mr. Bronfman received an Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters from the University of Rochester. In 1997, he received from New York University an honorary degree of Doctor of Commercial Science.

Mr. Bronfman attended Trinity College School in Port Hope, Ontario, Canada; Williams College in Williamstown, Massachusetts; and graduated with a bachelor's degree from McGill University in Montreal, Canada, in 1951.




Edgar Bronfman Jr.
Founder, Scandent Group

Edgar Bronfman Jr. is the Vice Chairman of Vivendi Universal, a leading global media & communications company, with operations in five core communication units including TV & Film, Publishing, Music, Internet and Telecom. Its environmental unit, Vivendi Environment, is the worldwide leader in environment services. He has been instrumental in bringing Universal and Vivendi together to form one of the world's most significant conglomerates.

Prior to the December 2000 formation of Vivendi Universal, Edgar Bronfman Jr. was President and Chief Executive Officer of The Seagram Company Limited, a post he held since June 1994. He has held various leadership positions, which include Managing Director - Europe, based in London, overseeing management of Seagram's European subsidiaries and affiliates. He has also been responsible for the US operations and has supervised all spirit & wine activities in the United States and the marketing efforts of Tropicana Products Inc. He built the Seagram business and brands to a position of significant strength. During his tenure as the Chief Executive Officer of Seagram, he consummated approximately US $ 85 billion in transactions and transformed the company into one of the world's leading media and communications company.

He is a member of the Board of USA Networks Inc., The New York University Medical Center and The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, amongst others. Edgar Bronfman Jr. brings to Scandent Group invaluable leadership and experience in building global businesses and in transforming businesses to compete in challenging environments.

 
62 posted on 01/25/2004 4:41:43 PM PST by kcvl

To: Seamonster
I liked reading that Teresa Heinz is still a Loyal Registered Republican and has never voted for him!

Vote for him? Heck, she doesn't even call him her husband! When she says "My husband..." she is referring to Heinz - not Kerry. No wonder he's got a long face.
 

63 posted on 01/25/2004 4:49:35 PM PST by ladyjane

Total for this search: $59,650


BRONFMAN, EDGAR M
NEW YORK,NY 10152
VIVENDI UNIVERSAL
8/19/2003
$15,000
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte

BRONFMAN, JOANIE MS
BROOKLINE,MA 02445
SELF/CONSULTANT
10/23/2003
$5,000
Emily's List

BRONFMAN, JOANIE MS
BROOKLINE,MA 02146
SELF/CONSULTANT
10/24/2003
$4,900
League of Conservation Voters

BRONFMAN II, SAM
ATHERTON,CA 94027
SEAGRAM CHATEAU & ESTATE WINES CO./
3/21/2003
$2,000
Northern Californians for Good Govt

BRONFMAN JR, EDGAR
NEW YORK,NY 10021
LEXA PARTNERS LLC/EXECUTIVE
6/4/2003
$2,000
Kerry, John

BRONFMAN, ADAM
PARK CITY,UT 84060
SELF/DEVELOPER
6/20/2003
$2,000
Capps, Lois

BRONFMAN, ANN
WASHINGTON,DC 20008
RETIRED/RETIRED
9/11/2003
$2,000
Stupak, Bart

BRONFMAN, CLARISSA ALCOCK
NEW YORK,NY 10152
N/A/HOMEMAKER
6/30/2003
$2,000
Kerry, John

BRONFMAN, CYNTHIA
PARK CITY,UT 84060
HOMEMAKER
6/20/2003
$2,000
Capps, Lois

BRONFMAN, DANIEL J
SANTA MONICA,CA 90405
GROWTH CAPITAL ASSOCIATES INC./PRES
9/19/2003
$2,000
Kerry, John

BRONFMAN, EDGAR JR
NEW YORK,NY 10021
VIVENDE UNIVERSAL/CEO
2/19/2003
$2,000
Edwards, John

BRONFMAN, EDGAR M
KETCHUM,ID 83340
SEAGRAM/CEO
7/31/2003
$2,000
Kerry, John

BRONFMAN, JOANIE MS
BROOKLINE,MA 02445
SELF-EMPLOYED/PHILANTHROPY
10/28/2003
$2,000
National Cmte for an Effective Congress

BRONFMAN II, SAM
ATHERTON,CA 94027
SEAGRAM CHATEAU AND ESTATE WINES/EX
6/30/2003
$1,000
Kerry, John

BRONFMAN II, SAMUEL
ATHERTON,CA 94027
DIAGEO NO. AMERICA/CHAIRMAN - GLOBA
2/18/2003
$1,000
Lantos, Tom

BRONFMAN, EDGAR
NEW YORK,NY 10152
JOSEPH E SEAGRAM AND SON INC
1/27/2003
$1,000
Clinton, Hillary Rodham

BRONFMAN, EDGAR JR
NEW YORK,NY 10021
LEXA PARTNERS LLC
6/2/2003
$1,000
Schumer, Charles E

BRONFMAN, EDGAR JR
NEW YORK,NY 10021
LEXA PARTNERS LLC
6/2/2003
$1,000
Schumer, Charles E

BRONFMAN, EDGAR JR
NEW YORK,NY 10022
LEXA PARTNERS LLC
5/13/2003
$1,000
Leahy, Patrick

BRONFMAN, EDGAR JR
NEW YORK,NY 10022
LEXA PARTNERS LLC
6/30/2003
$1,000
Leahy, Patrick

BRONFMAN, EDGAR JR
NEW YORK,NY 10022
LEXA PARTNERS LLC
6/30/2003
$1,000
Leahy, Patrick

BRONFMAN, MATTHEW
NEW YORK,NY 10021
ACI CAPITAL
2/18/2003
$1,000
Schumer, Charles E

BRONFMAN, MATTHEW
NEW YORK,NY 10021
ACI CAPITAL/MANAGING DIRECTOR
4/17/2003
$1,000
Lieberman, Joe

BRONFMAN, MATTHEW
NEW YORK,NY 10021
ACI CAPITAL/MANAGING DIRECTOR
5/12/2003
$1,000
Gephardt, Richard A

BRONFMAN, SAM MR
ATHERTON,CA 94027
SEAGRAM CHATEAU & ESTATE WINES/PRES
5/16/2003
$1,000
Wine Institute

BRONFMAN, SAMUEL
ATHERTON,CA 94027
DIAGEO PLC
2/25/2003
$1,000
Boxer, Barbara

BRONFMAN, SAMUEL
ATHERTON,CA 94027
DIAGEO PLC
2/25/2003
$1,000
Boxer, Barbara

BRONFMAN, SAMUEL
ATHERTON,CA 94027
DIAGEO PLC/CONSULTANT
9/19/2003
$1,000
Kerry, John

BRONFMAN, SHERRY
NEW YORK,NY 10023
NOT EMPLOYED/HOMEMAKER
4/25/2003
$500
Braun, Carol Moseley

BRONFMAN, MATTHEW
NEW YORK,NY 10022
ACI CAPITAL/MANAGING DIRECTOR
6/16/2003
$250
Democratic Cmte of New York State

BRONFMAN, SAMUEL
ATHERTON,CA 94027
3/10/2003
($1,000)
Kerrey, Bob




 
64 posted on 01/25/2004 4:49:36 PM PST by kcvl

To: Timesink; Hon
Oops. You are correct, Timesink. I should have noted the date.

So, if Shapiro was correct on Fox today, there is STILL a bomb to drop.

Hon, you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Although this article is not the result of Chris Lehane's opposition research, many of the scandals that drop in the last few days of various primary campaigns will be. Just because it appears in a paper doesn't mean that the story didn't come from an opponent of Kerry's. Opposition research is very often leaked to a friendly media outlet. That is how it becomes a story, rather than a charge by the opposing candidate.

And excuse me,Hon, but I spend quite a bit of time researching things myself. This is a good story and I am glad it was posted.
 

65 posted on 01/25/2004 4:49:55 PM PST by Miss Marple

To: Hon

Iowa voters agree: any Democratic presidential contender who can kite-board is probably the best man for the job

Do we really need a spoiled brat who is still acting like a teenager in the White House?
 

66 posted on 01/25/2004 4:57:37 PM PST by kcvl

To: Miss Marple
"Opposition research is very often leaked to a friendly media outlet. That is how it becomes a story, rather than a charge by the opposing candidate."

The hell you say!

Anyway, if it was the product of opposition research they sure aren't doing much with it--since, as I noted, the guy they burglered is now a Representative in New Hampshire. So there is local interest.
 
67 posted on 01/25/2004 5:01:15 PM PST by Hon

To: Hon
I hope somebody has something better than this. ;-)
 
68 posted on 01/25/2004 5:03:44 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)

To: Hon
Thx
 
69 posted on 01/25/2004 5:05:13 PM PST by expatpat

To: kcvl
Maybe Kerry is taking his Jack Kennedy aping a little too far. Just because JFK's dad was a bootlegger, doesn't mean Kerry has to be in the pocket of another.
 
70 posted on 01/25/2004 5:06:57 PM PST by Hon

To: Dog
go Lehane!
 
71 posted on 01/25/2004 5:14:59 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)

To: mewzilla
**The Many Faces of John Kerry.**

LOL!

What You Don't Know about John Kerry

 

It looks like we have Senator Two-Face here



 

72 posted on 01/25/2004 5:17:12 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)

To: mabelkitty
**So who bankrolled Kerry in his first run for Congress.
Who wanted him to win and run so badly, and what did they get in return?
Big Dig connection?**

I've always thought:

Kennedy.
 
73 posted on 01/25/2004 5:20:15 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)

To: Seamonster
"I liked reading that Teresa Heinz is still a Loyal Registered Republican and has never voted for him! Thats bankable."

Actually she very publicly changed her voter registration to Dem last January. (Over some trumped up reason vis a vis Rick Santorum.)

But when she married Kerry she said that she would "go down the aisle with him, but she wouldn't cross the aisle for him."

That changed. LOL
 
74 posted on 01/25/2004 5:20:19 PM PST by Hon

To: kcvl
Wasn't he ice skating with a hockey team yesterday too?

This man needs to grow up! He's worse than Dean!
 
75 posted on 01/25/2004 5:25:34 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)

Fascinating. Not surprising though. Also not surprising is the fact that it has resurfaced as Kerry becomes the frontrunner.
 
76 posted on 01/25/2004 6:02:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (To reiterate, the nomination fight will be a bloodbath.)

To: Hon
I can't apply a different standard to Kerry than I would to any Republican. He is not responsible for the actions of his family members unless he caused them to do this. Has that been shown?

 
77 posted on 01/25/2004 6:08:28 PM PST by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)

To: kcvl
But I thought only Dick Cheney and Halliburton did shady backroom deals! How could this be.
 
78 posted on 01/25/2004 6:08:37 PM PST by HRoarke (Benedict Arnold was a Veteran too!)

To: Torie
LeHane is a busy little bee.
 
79 posted on 01/25/2004 6:13:04 PM PST by jwalsh07

To: Hon
"That changed. LOL"

Words are cheap. I bet she pulls the lever on "R".

 
80 posted on 01/25/2004 6:24:07 PM PST by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)

To: Timesink; Dog
I don't think this is Lehane. Look at the dates on those articles; they're from last year, when Lehane still worked for Kerry.

Well this story did appear in the Boston Globe

First campaign ends in defeat - By Brian C. Mooney, Globe Staff, 6/18/2003

To win the primary, the newcomer overcame the election eve arrest of his brother, Cameron, and campaign field director Thomas J. Vallely, both then 22, in the basement of a Lowell building that housed the headquarters of Kerry and another Democratic contender, state Representative Anthony R. DiFruscia of Lawrence. It was almost 2 a.m. - 30 hours before the polls opened - when the two were arrested on charges of breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny.

That day's Sun blared a memorable, double-deck headline: "Kerry brother arrested in Lowell `Watergate."' DiFruscia, getting some extra ink in the campaign's waning hours, had drawn the parallel to the break-in at Democratic headquarters in Washington three months earlier.
 

81 posted on 01/25/2004 6:29:03 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: mewzilla
I hope this isn't the same Vallely who appears frequently on FoxNews.
 
82 posted on 01/25/2004 6:31:28 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (What is the point of fighting in Iraq if we surrender to Vicente?)

To: Timesink; Dog; Peach; prairiebreeze
BTW ... I also found this one at the Globe

Kerry took a loss in tax shelter in 1984 to avoid political fallout

But records obtained by The Globe show a lot went undisclosed about the complex scheme, which he entered six weeks before he became a candidate for US Senate in January 1984, and, by Kerry's account, broke off before May 31, 1984, the date he chose for filing a report on his personal finances to the Senate

And there are pictures too!
 

83 posted on 01/25/2004 6:39:29 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: mewzilla; Dog; Peach; prairiebreeze
Is Mary Beth Cahill still Ketchup Boy's campaign manager? If so, with her around, who needs to worry about Lehane?

I read last night that Gephardt's Chief of staff, Steve Elmendorf is now working for Kerry

Kerry makes switch, hires Gephardt's staff chief
 

84 posted on 01/25/2004 6:46:43 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: kcvl
Colliers is involved with Lippo in multimillion contracts in Indonesia. Kerry, who has a blind trust run by members of his family, claims he knows nothing about his cousin's business deals or affiliations.

Interesting ... thanks for the infor Kcvl
 

85 posted on 01/25/2004 6:56:51 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: kcvl
Gee .. could Bronfman be considered a special interest????
 
86 posted on 01/25/2004 7:05:01 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: jwalsh07
Yep. Politics is a contact sport. The trick is to get the dirt on yourself out at the right time (not too early, and not too late). Bush not getting out the DUI earlier made the election most interesting (had to know if that was what caused the drop, or his misstep on social security, or just Dems coming home and Gore's on the ground machine, but something did). Bush did a favor for political psephologists and political junkies everywhere.
 
87 posted on 01/25/2004 7:14:40 PM PST by Torie

To: Torie

President? I DON'T THINK SO!!!
 
88 posted on 01/25/2004 7:27:19 PM PST by kcvl


President? NO...


President? No, not him either...
 

89 posted on 01/25/2004 7:32:17 PM PST by kcvl


President...HAHAHAHAHA!


Now, THIS IS A PRESIDENT!!!
 

90 posted on 01/25/2004 7:34:18 PM PST by kcvl


 
91 posted on 01/25/2004 7:35:18 PM PST by kcvl


 
92 posted on 01/25/2004 7:36:09 PM PST by kcvl

To: Dog
I wonder if this is what Sean was talking about.
 
93 posted on 01/25/2004 7:39:48 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

To: Torie
Dean supporters are pushing back. Backlash against the media and establishment push against Dean is ripe to happen in New Hampshire where the liberals are more liberal and the voters more ornery than in Iowa.
 
94 posted on 01/25/2004 7:55:56 PM PST by jwalsh07

To: Mo1
Good article about the tax shelter
 
95 posted on 01/25/2004 7:57:39 PM PST by prairiebreeze (God Bless and Protect the Allied Troops. And the families here at home---they are soldiers too.)

To: prairiebreeze
And he wants to raise taxes??

What was it that Kerry said about rich people?
 
96 posted on 01/25/2004 8:02:48 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: Hon
.

JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320
.
 
97 posted on 01/25/2004 8:02:50 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com.)

To: jwalsh07
You must be a big fan of the Zogby poll. Who knows what will happen. I have decided that in this election cycle, I just can't predict what Democrats will do in primaries. (The Dems in the hunt really don't disagree on anything much, so it is just one of those instinctual things as to who the Dems think has the right stuff to beat Bush, while being perceived as no more than one standard deviation away from the median human stability index.) I am worthless.
 
98 posted on 01/25/2004 8:04:52 PM PST by Torie

To: Dog
Chris la Anus as Rush calls him.
 
99 posted on 01/25/2004 8:06:56 PM PST by Ann Archy

To: Peach
Oh man...I saw the interview that Steponallofus did with Weird Wesley Clark..."depends on what "THE" means!!!! OMG!! What's in the Little Rock Water???? Clark is CERTIFIABLE!!
 
100 posted on 01/25/2004 8:12:13 PM PST by Ann Archy

 


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To: Torie
Zogby is good when he wants to be but my hunches are derived from anecdotal straw polling of lefty leaning family members by marriage who occupy the hills of NH.
 
101 posted on 01/25/2004 8:12:52 PM PST by jwalsh07

To: XHogPilot
I have NEVER heard Ketchup Face Kerry referred ato as a SEAL!! Are you positive???
 
102 posted on 01/25/2004 8:15:06 PM PST by Ann Archy

To: Mo1
Somewhere I just read that Kerry and Mrs. Heinz are worth $500 million. Can't find the source now though.

Lets see. Kerry's party usually argue that tax cuts benefit only the rich. That rich people don't pay enough taxes because they use loopholes etc. And that Republicans are the party of the rich.

$500 million. Quite a chunk of change there, and catapults Kerry from the very rich to the stinkin' rich IMO.

Prairie
 
103 posted on 01/25/2004 8:16:39 PM PST by prairiebreeze (God Bless and Protect the Allied Troops. And the families here at home---they are soldiers too.)

To: prairiebreeze
Lets see. Kerry's party usually argue that tax cuts benefit only the rich. That rich people don't pay enough taxes because they use loopholes etc. And that Republicans are the party of the rich.

Did you here about Edwards plans?

His health care and education plan, he says will cost us the taxpayers 53 BILLION dollars
 

104 posted on 01/25/2004 8:22:25 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: jwalsh07
IC. Maybe with your connections you can wangle a ticket to the inaugural ball for Dean then. Heck, even my younger brother knows Dean is a nutter, and he thinks the Dems should push Bush as a coke snorter and a deserter as a political issue. I tried to explain to him that recycling old issues without new information that did not defeat the now incumbent last time, was not likely to gain traction, but I failed to dissuade him.
 
105 posted on 01/25/2004 8:22:59 PM PST by Torie

To: Mo1
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." ~~ Margaret Thatcher
 
106 posted on 01/25/2004 8:24:36 PM PST by prairiebreeze (God Bless and Protect the Allied Troops. And the families here at home---they are soldiers too.)

To: prairiebreeze
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." ~~ Margaret Thatcher

I wish a reporter would asked them, what happens when they tax us so much and there ain't nothing left?
 

107 posted on 01/25/2004 8:26:23 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)

To: Ann Archy
I have NEVER heard Ketchup Face Kerry referred ato as a SEAL!! Are you positive???

My bad. It was the other Senator Kerrey. Several Freepers corrected me after my post.
 

108 posted on 01/25/2004 9:03:52 PM PST by XHogPilot

To: kcvl
Bump for later read.
 
109 posted on 01/25/2004 9:28:12 PM PST by Carolinamom

To: Hon; VietnamOdyssey; VOA; Fred Mertz; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; onyx; Republic; kristinn; ...
.

NEVER FORGET


Just for the CLARITY of it:


'Early KERRY: Disband CIA, Put U.S. Troops Under U.N. Control'

http://www.Newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/25/214708.shtml



QUOTE


GI's in Vietnam, KERRY said, had "personally raped [Vietnamese civilians] cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephone to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Kahn."

KERRY later admitted he hadn't personally witnessed any of the atrocities he claimed his fellow soldiers had committed.


UNQUOTE


NEVER FORGET

.
 
110 posted on 01/25/2004 9:51:08 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com.)

To: ALOHA RONNIE
Bump!
 
111 posted on 01/25/2004 10:57:04 PM PST by Alamo-Girl

To: Carolinamom
Monday :: November 24, 2003


John Kerry's Wife Weighs in on Guantanamo

Theresa Heinz Kerry weighed in on the Guantanamo detainees in Seattle. She said the detainees deserve prisoner of war status:

"They were captured while fighting a war," Teresa Heinz Kerry said at an informal discussion with minority activists in Seattle. "They should have the rights that other prisoners of war have had."

Heinz Kerry, the heir to the Heinz family's food fortune, said denying the detainees the protections of the Geneva Convention is "insulting, ignorant and insensitive" to the rest of the world.

She added that under President Bush, the United States, once known as the standard-bearer for human rights, is now considered a hypocrite. "The arrogance shown by this administration on human rights and in its foreign policy is horrible," she said.

So, does husband John agree? The article says yes, but if you read his position, the answer is no.

A spokeswoman for the Kerry campaign said Sen. Kerry supports his wife's position that the detainees should be given basic protections such as the right to an attorney. "As long as al-Qaida is actively trying to take down America, Sen. Kerry believes that these prisoners should be held as enemy combatants," spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said.

Unless Cutter got her candidate's position wrong, she's saying Kerry agrees with Bush, rather than his wife. Bush has emphatically and continuously insisted that enemy combatants are not prisoners of war and do not receive the protections of the Geneva Convention or our Constitution.

Maybe Theresa should be the candidate from the Kerry family.

 
112 posted on 01/25/2004 11:22:10 PM PST by kcvl

To: Alamo-Girl
Kerry's wife calls presidential debates 'silly'

via CNN: Boston (AP) -- Teresa Heinz Kerry, the wife of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, says nine-way presidential debates are "silly" and a waste of time for the candidates and the voters.

"I don't think it really helps the American people, I don't think it helps the candidates," Heinz Kerry told the Boston Herald in an interview published Tuesday, the same day her husband was to face his rivals in a debate in his home town.

Heinz Kerry said debates have become about scoring a punch with quick soundbites.

"It's just silly," she said. "I think those debates are really unproductive and they made it hard for all of them to (get their message across)."

Eight of the nine Democrats were scheduled to appear Tuesday night at the 90-minute Rock the Vote forum in Boston that will air on Cable News Network.

Heinz Kerry said she has suggested Democrats focus on smaller group debates that alternate among all candidates or pick three or four candidates leading in particular states -- though she conceded the latter idea might not be fair to all candidates.

Heinz Kerry's comments are in line with frequent complaints from her husband, who has said the face-offs are not "real debates."

November 4, 2003
 
113 posted on 01/25/2004 11:24:27 PM PST by kcvl

To: Mo1
Does Teresa Heinz Trust John Kerry?
If not, why should we?

By Timothy Noah
Posted Tuesday, Dec. 2, 2003, at 5:12 PM PT


If Teresa Heinz won't trust presidential candidate John Kerry with her money, why should American voters trust Kerry with their country?

Teresa Heinz and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., were married in 1995. Kerry's assets at the time were a few million dollars. (Click here for Kerry's Senate financial disclosure form for 1995.) Heinz's assets at the time were reportedly around half a billion dollars, which she'd inherited from her late husband, Sen. John Heinz, R-Pa., heir to the ketchup fortune. Unlike many other married couples, Heinz and Kerry kept their premarital assets separate. Much of Teresa Heinz's inheritance was no doubt tied up in trusts, but a substantial sum must have been unencumbered, because she had Sen. Kerry sign a prenuptial agreement. "Everybody has a prenup," Heinz explained to Lisa DiPaulo, who profiled her sympathetically in Elle.

You have to have a prenup. You've got three kids with somebody else, you've got to have a prenup. You could be as generous or as sensitive as you want. But you have to have a prenup.

By all accounts, Teresa Heinz had no interest in becoming first lady during her 25-year marriage to John Heinz (who died in a 1991 plane crash). "Over my dead body," she told John. Apparently she spent the first seven years of her marriage to John Kerry telling him the same thing. According to a Nov. 30 profile by Maeve Reston in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, "It was only last year that she says she changed her mind and told Kerry she would support his decision to run."

MORE...


http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:ooLuoT0ZSyIJ:slate.msn.com/id/2091886+John+Kerry+wife&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
 
114 posted on 01/25/2004 11:26:21 PM PST by kcvl

To: ALOHA RONNIE
Wasn't it once rumored that
Bill Clinton desired to be named
head of the United Nations?

 
115 posted on 01/26/2004 12:09:38 AM PST by Joy Angela (GROUND ZERO IS HILLARY's CO-LEGACY)

 


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posted on 9-4-2003 at 10:58 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote

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Originally posted by The Constitutionalist
 

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Originally posted by whosaid
 

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Originally posted by The Constitutionalist
 

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Originally posted by whosaid

Who's Got Something Against John Kerry/ VIETNAM VET?
 





Uh.....

He's a Demcrat?






Just wondering what you all would come up with.

Kerry also supports increased Hate Crime legislation and affirmative action.

I may not even vote this time.

Or, possibly vote for La Rouche. But, I know he won't win. La Rouche really has some big ideas. The repubs and DEMOCRATS really hate him. That's got to be a plus. I'll study up on him some more.

Most of all, I would DEFINITELY vote for ANY candidate who will BRING OUR TROOPS HOME ASAP!!!!!




We already have laws and penalties for crimes on the books. Hate crime legislation and charging someone with a crime of what others believe that person may have been thinkong when he commited a crime is wrong when the penalties are already there. Hate crime legislation panders to one segment of society over another in protection under thread of penalty over others in society. Hate crimes are not applied on an equal and fair basis.

agreed


When will Dr. Martin Luther King's dream be realized? When will a man be given opportunity due to hard work and the content of his character? Rather, than the color of his skin?

Support for affirmative action panders to just another segment of society.

agreed

Sure, anyone would like to see our troops come home.

But if were going to go as an isolationist nation as I think you might like, then we need to dissociate ourselves from the U.N., NATO and all foriegn protection agreements and alliances we have entered into.

Isolationism is extreme. And, we now have a global economy, like it or not.

You can't pull trops from one place because you don't like a partcular president's policies that put them there, while leaving troops elsewhere.

Bring them all home. The US is not the world's police force.

It's all or nothing.

Another EXTREME statement. "All", meaning we need to intervene in every conflict? Besides, our? gov't has proven that "all can be nothing" without world support.



 

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posted on 9-4-2003 at 11:03 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote

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Originally posted by angry grandma
amen, Larry!
i have read the LaRouche newspapers and i totally oppose his claims and his philosophy!

talk about FALSE PROPHETS! (is he out of prison yet?)
whosaid will fit right in the LaRouche underground!
especially if he has a KKK background!

[Edited on 9/4/2003 by angry grandma]





Better go back and read your bible for another 40 years, ANGRY grandma!

 

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posted on 9-4-2003 at 11:15 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote

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Originally posted by Bassman
Mike-I know the NV people were aware of what was going on here-and that's why I say Kerry-Heinz is no different than Hanoi Jane.I'm sure they were made well aware of Kerry-Heinz and his buddies chucking revered decorations away as trash.They probably even made movies of it with the usual dialouge and showed 'em to assemblies at their factories.
While Americans were still fighting and dying.Whether they were dying for a fucked-up cause or not is completely irrelevant.
If one NV worker or soldier increased his resolve because he saw Kerry-Heinz,well that's giving aid and comfort.
That's where the line is crossed,IMHO.





He received a Bronze Star for saving the life of a soldier who’d fallen overboard during a firefight and a Silver Star for chasing down and killing a Vietcong armed with a rocket launcher. He returned, disillusioned, and helped found Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He protested on the lawn of the Capitol, where he famously tossed his ribbons but not his medals, and testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he posed the question, “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0303.html

 

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Originally posted by whosaid
 

quote:


Originally posted by Bassman
Mike-I know the NV people were aware of what was going on here-and that's why I say Kerry-Heinz is no different than Hanoi Jane.I'm sure they were made well aware of Kerry-Heinz and his buddies chucking revered decorations away as trash.They probably even made movies of it with the usual dialouge and showed 'em to assemblies at their factories.
While Americans were still fighting and dying.Whether they were dying for a fucked-up cause or not is completely irrelevant.
If one NV worker or soldier increased his resolve because he saw Kerry-Heinz,well that's giving aid and comfort.
That's where the line is crossed,IMHO.





He received a Bronze Star for saving the life of a soldier who’d fallen overboard during a firefight and a Silver Star for chasing down and killing a Vietcong armed with a rocket launcher. He returned, disillusioned, and helped found Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He protested on the lawn of the Capitol, where he famously tossed his ribbons but not his medals, and testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he posed the question, “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0303.html




Can't polish a turd like Kerry-Heinz and his despicable actions at the Capitol building.
Oh,so the story has changed?It's his ribbons,not his "friend's medals" as he's been stammering when asked about it?
Which is it?
Apparently somebody's concerned,or the story wouldn't be changing.




 


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posted on 9-4-2003 at 11:30 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote

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Originally posted by Bassman
 

quote:


Originally posted by whosaid
 

quote:


Originally posted by Bassman
Mike-I know the NV people were aware of what was going on here-and that's why I say Kerry-Heinz is no different than Hanoi Jane.I'm sure they were made well aware of Kerry-Heinz and his buddies chucking revered decorations away as trash.They probably even made movies of it with the usual dialouge and showed 'em to assemblies at their factories.
While Americans were still fighting and dying.Whether they were dying for a fucked-up cause or not is completely irrelevant.
If one NV worker or soldier increased his resolve because he saw Kerry-Heinz,well that's giving aid and comfort.
That's where the line is crossed,IMHO.





He received a Bronze Star for saving the life of a soldier who’d fallen overboard during a firefight and a Silver Star for chasing down and killing a Vietcong armed with a rocket launcher. He returned, disillusioned, and helped found Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He protested on the lawn of the Capitol, where he famously tossed his ribbons but not his medals, and testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he posed the question, “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0303.html




Can't polish a turd like Kerry-Heinz and his despicable actions at the Capitol building.
Oh,so the story has changed?It's his ribbons,not his "friend's medals" as he's been stammering when asked about it?
Which is it?
Apparently somebody's concerned,or the story wouldn't be changing.




Whatever, like I said, I most likely won't vote anyway. I will let DIEBOLD do it for me since they will anyway.

 

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Originally posted by whosaid
 

quote:


Originally posted by Bassman
 

quote:


Originally posted by whosaid
 

quote:


Originally posted by Bassman
Mike-I know the NV people were aware of what was going on here-and that's why I say Kerry-Heinz is no different than Hanoi Jane.I'm sure they were made well aware of Kerry-Heinz and his buddies chucking revered decorations away as trash.They probably even made movies of it with the usual dialouge and showed 'em to assemblies at their factories.
While Americans were still fighting and dying.Whether they were dying for a fucked-up cause or not is completely irrelevant.
If one NV worker or soldier increased his resolve because he saw Kerry-Heinz,well that's giving aid and comfort.
That's where the line is crossed,IMHO.





He received a Bronze Star for saving the life of a soldier who’d fallen overboard during a firefight and a Silver Star for chasing down and killing a Vietcong armed with a rocket launcher. He returned, disillusioned, and helped found Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He protested on the lawn of the Capitol, where he famously tossed his ribbons but not his medals, and testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he posed the question, “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0303.html




Can't polish a turd like Kerry-Heinz and his despicable actions at the Capitol building.
Oh,so the story has changed?It's his ribbons,not his "friend's medals" as he's been stammering when asked about it?
Which is it?
Apparently somebody's concerned,or the story wouldn't be changing.




Whatever, like I said, I most likely won't vote anyway. I will let DIEBOLD do it for me since they will anyway.


DIEBOLD? They manufacture stuff like safes,don't they?
How they gonna vote for you...dare I ask...




 


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Originally posted by Bassman
 

quote:


Originally posted by whosaid
 

quote:


Originally posted by Bassman
 

quote:


Originally posted by whosaid
 

quote:


Originally posted by Bassman
Mike-I know the NV people were aware of what was going on here-and that's why I say Kerry-Heinz is no different than Hanoi Jane.I'm sure they were made well aware of Kerry-Heinz and his buddies chucking revered decorations away as trash.They probably even made movies of it with the usual dialouge and showed 'em to assemblies at their factories.
While Americans were still fighting and dying.Whether they were dying for a fucked-up cause or not is completely irrelevant.
If one NV worker or soldier increased his resolve because he saw Kerry-Heinz,well that's giving aid and comfort.
That's where the line is crossed,IMHO.





He received a Bronze Star for saving the life of a soldier who’d fallen overboard during a firefight and a Silver Star for chasing down and killing a Vietcong armed with a rocket launcher. He returned, disillusioned, and helped found Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He protested on the lawn of the Capitol, where he famously tossed his ribbons but not his medals, and testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he posed the question, “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0303.html




Can't polish a turd like Kerry-Heinz and his despicable actions at the Capitol building.
Oh,so the story has changed?It's his ribbons,not his "friend's medals" as he's been stammering when asked about it?
Which is it?
Apparently somebody's concerned,or the story wouldn't be changing.




Whatever, like I said, I most likely won't vote anyway. I will let DIEBOLD do it for me since they will anyway.


DIEBOLD? They manufacture stuff like safes,don't they?
How they gonna vote for you...dare I ask...





http://www.blackboxvoting.com/


This one is formatted for an easier read.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

 

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I don't know, man, Kerry is looking calm and collected on the PBS Democratic debate. He reminds me of Abe Lincoln. Not necessarily a good thing when you're from the South.


Kucinich, whoa! He is really letting it rip.

Gephardt called Bush a "miserable failure" more than once. Alot of applauding on that!

Lieberman, besides being Jewish, WHO CAN STAND TO HEAR HIM TALK! supports MORE US troops. Where do we get them from, LIEberman??

They have some woman on there speaking some crap in Spanish, the questions (I think) first in Spanish, then in English. While the candidates give their answers in English.

Spanish will be the second official language before much longer.

They are all sucking up to Mexican immigrants.

Oops, Deanie, doesn't even mention he wants to invade Saudi Arabia. shhhh...wait til you get in office first, right, Howie?



[Edited on 9-5-2003 by whosaid]

 
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I could never vote for Kerry based on his leftist fiscal-social agenda.

However, the man is the only one I've heard who is laying a significant portion of the blame for Bush's lame excuses for invadiung Iraq in the right direction and in so many words: Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz, the quasi-American zionazi leadership.

For that I give him a thumbs-up for calling shiteaters ... shiteaters.

 
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I think anyone who hasn't had the balls to serve should STFU about John Kerry, John McCain, Max Cleland, Ron Kovic, or anyone else who had the balls.

Want to take a giant shit on Bill Clinton? Fine with me.




 


 

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Originally posted by Observer
I think anyone who hasn't had the balls to serve should STFU about John Kerry, John McCain, Max Cleland, Ron Kovic, or anyone else who had the balls.

Want to take a giant shit on Bill Clinton? Fine with me.



That's silly.




 


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What about front runner Howard Dean? What did he do during the Vietnam War?
 
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Originally posted by Bassman
 

quote:


Originally posted by Observer
I think anyone who hasn't had the balls to serve should STFU about John Kerry, John McCain, Max Cleland, Ron Kovic, or anyone else who had the balls.

Want to take a giant shit on Bill Clinton? Fine with me.



That's silly.




Y'know maybe so, friend. I've been accused of worse than silly in 57 years.

But silly or not, I'm sick of it. Of Rush Limbaugh and his convenient pylonydal cyst, of Sean Hannity and whatever his excuse is, going after Ron Kovic, and John McCain. Fuck both of them and the horse they rode in on.

I'm most sick of shitsacks like Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, questioning Max Cleland's patriotism. That would be Max, who had half his body shot off in Viet Nam while Saxby was out hunting on those bad knees that got him his deferrment.

Yeah Bassman, I'm silly. Silly and pissed-off.

[Edited on 9-8-2003 by Observer]




 



 

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I think anyone who hasn't had the balls to serve should STFU about John Kerry, John McCain, Max Cleland, Ron Kovic, or anyone else who had the balls.

Want to take a giant shit on Bill Clinton? Fine with me.



That's silly.




Y'know maybe so, friend. I've been accused of worse than silly in 57 years.

But silly or not, I'm sick of it. Of Rush Limbaugh and his convenient pylonydal cyst, of Sean Hannity and whatever his excuse is, going after Ron Kovic, and John McCain. Fuck both of them and the horse they rode in on.

I'm most sick of shitsacks like Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, questioning Max Cleland's patriotism. That would be Max, who had half his body shot off in Viet Nam while Saxby was out hunting on those bad knees that got him his deferrment.

Yeah Bassman, I'm silly. Silly and pissed-off.

[Edited on 9-8-2003 by Observer]



Understood.I was too young for Nam,and while I registered in 74,I was never called up.Had something really fucked-up occured,I woulda been one of the first to get in line to join.




 


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John McCain??

He served right up until he got shot out of the sky!!

He HIMSELF - aprropriately - foreswears any heroism in that.

I accept HIS word over yours - anyday.

 
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7 pages "In Depth" Sen.John Kerry.
by John Pike.
plenty of quotes here! Sept.16-29 issue of INSIGHT MAGAZINE.
..."many editorial writers and commentators have dismissed him as a transparent self-promoter, a phony and an opportunist. It has been reported widely that he has been running for president since his days at prep-school, with every significant move in his life calculated to further that end."
From graduating Yale 1966, "Kerry did not delay or avoid service in Vietnam. Soon he
commanded a patrol boat similiar to that of JFKennedy....whose political career he sought to emulate. After a FEW MONTHS he requested and received a transfer out of Southeast Asia to BECOME AN AIDE TO AN ADMIRAL IN WASHINGTON, and then
maneuvered an early honorable discharge to run for Congress."
La de Dah!
i suspected something like that....same deal with W.J.Clinton......modeled JFK...
aimed for presidency very early in life!
BEWARE.
there are many other REVEALING quotes from researched and interviewed people who knew Kerry.....friends and foes...
there is even a "watergate breakin" in Lowell, Mass. of a rival pols building by Kerry's brother and one or two others in the campaign...Sept.18, 1972 that the press called "LOWELLGATE"....

 
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John McCain??

He served right up until he got shot out of the sky!!

What the fuck are you talking about? He was shot down in October 1967 and was released in 1973. He wasn't serving his country rotting in a N.Vietnamese shithole for 5 1/2 years? He was discharged from the Navy in 1981. So he served well after being "shot out of the sky", dumb-ass.

He HIMSELF - aprropriately - foreswears any heroism in that.

I accept HIS word over yours - anyday.

Who's talking about anybody being a hero? If John McCain doesn't see himself as a hero for being shot down that's fine with me.

I just don't think cyst-ass Rush or conveniently gimp kneed Saxby Chambliss have any business attacking the patriotism of McCain or anyone else who's served.


 







 



 

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"They also serve who only stand and wait". (Shakespeare)

And keep their fucking super-patriot mouths SHUT!!

 
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Kerry is a Hedging Phony who thinks he's a Kennedy.




 


 

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To Sen. Kerry:

Thank you for your service in Viet Nam.

What have you done for me lately?




 

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Trample the weak. Hurdle the dead.

 

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Kerry looks.......French!

(and yes Buzz, heard that on Rush Limbaugh.)










 


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Kerry does look French.
but INSIGHT reveals his ancestry to be
NOT IRISH.....(almost a prerequisite to be elected in Massachusetts)...but his father
was born to a Jewish mother from the former Austrian Empire....his grandfather Kohn was a Jew from Bohemia who changed his name from Kohn to Kerry...
Sen.K's mother's family were "New England Brahmins"....(Yankees)...whose ancestors included the Forbeses who made fortune in Boston/China trade...and
the Winthrops...first Gov of Mass.1630s.
but the Senator many times let media assume he is Irish....to score political points.....

 
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So, the war hero changed his name to win elective office. If it's true he is a jew, he hasn't a chance to be President.

But, granny, what is your impeccable source of this DYNAMITE info??

 
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i gave my impeccable source in the first sentences of my post 9/8/03 at 1532pm.
i reiterated INSIGHT to ID for the brighter posters....yet you ask me what is my source?
INSIGHT MAGAZINE issue for Sept.16-29, 2003, pages 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 and 37. "In Depth" articles about 2004 prez
candidates is an Insight feature!
you are free to reject my source, A1...
by the way, how come you stopped using 1 after Analytic????

PS....I DID NOT SAY THE WAR HERO CHANGED HIS NAME! are you lacking in reader skills?
i said his grandfather changed the family name....

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Um...did I mention Kerry looks.....FRENCH?




 

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